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Economic Crisis and Some Suzhou Int'l Schools -- Mme de Brissac -- 30 June 2009
The financial situation of the six biggest "international schools" in Suzhou is almost terminal in some cases. On or about May 15, 2009, one of the largest "international schools" in Suzhou was ...

Re: Arizona School Of English / Los Mochis -- El Gringo in Mochis -- 30 June 2009
I also want to respond to some comments made about AZ School and Los Mochis. I have been here for seven school years now and it has been a great experience. I truly enjoy working here and I find the ...

Qualifications, Experience and Rewards -- JN -- 29 June 2009
A good place to start in China would be to have a degree of coordination in what educational institutions ask for in regards teaching qualifications from overseas teachers; although, the Chinese ...
Re: Qualifications, Experience and Rewards -- Turnoi -- 29 June 2009
Qualifications and experience are qualification criteria to ask for in case each individual native and foreign employee in China. It is obvious that prospective employees should ask the same ...
Re: Qualifications, Experience and Rewards -- JN -- 1 July 2009
I beg to differ. Some institutions ask for a degree only. Some institutions ask for a degree and teaching experience. Some institutions ask for a degree, teaching experience and a teaching ...

List of good schools? -- Japanda -- 27 June 2009
I keep seeing a lot of negative posts about schools, but rarely do I see any praises. Does anyone have a list of "good" schools to work for in any of these cities? That is, more honest than ...
Re: List of good schools? -- earthlng -- 30 June 2009
Dear Japanda: What you must know is that most of the "posters" on these pages are negative people. Think about it, there are probably 1-200,000 Foreign teachers in China and you only see ...
Re: List of good schools? -- Jerome -- 1 July 2009
The last I heard there are approximately 180,000 FTs in China, so your point is well taken; that is, only a handful of those teachers actually participate in forums. However, I think you've ...
Re: List of good schools? -- Turino -- 30 June 2009
Dear Japanda: What you must know is that most of the "posters" on these pages are negative people. Think about it, there are probably 1-200,000 Foreign teachers in China and you only see ...
Re: List of good schools? -- Silverboy -- 30 June 2009
I agree with your post, many FT's in China are self-serving, just out for themselves, they will crawl and grovel to their crappy Chinese boss, even when they know it will be, or may be ...
Private and non-private -- Turnoi -- 1 July 2009
As I will be on travel tomorrow, just a brief note on what you said: Chinese and other Asians abroad stick to each other within their respective immigrant communities because they are used to it and ...
Re: List of good schools? -- HireEd -- 30 June 2009
As I've asked == for the umpteenth time -- for posters like "Earthling" for example, to name all these good places (by "Earthling's count: 15) he's worked (sorry, I am assuming ...
Re: List of schools to AVOID -- HireEd -- 30 June 2009
I've had direct experience with these schools, and strongly advise to avoid: Canilx Modern English - Nanjing Birdleads English - Nanjing ESL4You - Nanjing (closed) JinLing Translation - Nanjing ...
Re: List of good schools? -- Turino -- 30 June 2009
I keep seeing a lot of negative posts about schools, but rarely do I see any praises. Does anyone have a list of "good" schools to work for in any of these cities? That is, more honest than ...
Re: List of good schools? -- Dragonized -- 30 June 2009
From what one of my friends told me, there are over 50,000 training schools in China which have at least some classes that are foreign language ones. The overly excessive negative posts you see on ...
Re: List of good schools? -- Raoul Duke -- 28 June 2009
By the way, I have to ask... with this otherwise wonderful list of cities you've compiled, what would ever induce a rational human being to try and live in- God help us- Hefei?!?!??!?
Re: List of good schools? -- Raoul Duke -- 28 June 2009
Japanda, what you seek is commonly asked for, and something we'd all love to see...but unfortunately doesn't exist, at least not in a form you should ever use. Are there more bad schools than ...
Re: List of good schools? -- JN -- 28 June 2009
All round good advice from a person who has obviously experienced China in full.

Re: Look Again -- JN -- 26 June 2009
Most people can tell it is a quote by the words: and I quote. If there is still any uncertainty, take another look at the format – that is what the format looks like when one selects the quote ...
Re: Look Again -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
You have not indicated the source of a quote, and that is not professional at all but points to a less than professional handling of techniques in Academic Writing. And you are dishonest as well.

JN -- Are You Thinking of Teaching in China? -- 25 June 2009
China has many things to offer, not least exciting adventures for people with a more Gung Ho! spirit, and to say that China is a big country would be the understatement of all time. For the very few, ...
Re: JN -- Raoul Duke -- 27 June 2009
Actually, this post makes all the sense in the world. (Although I think Calvin was usually much more selfish than Hobbes... ;-{) ) If you're able to come to China and be prepared to see your ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 28 June 2009
Good reply; very forthright. China can be as bad as you write. I have to ask though, what has been the response when you have faced your Chinese employer with your rough and tough, full-on, ...
Re: JN -- Raoul Duke -- 28 June 2009
Thanks, JN. Responses actually varied quite a bit. But I think you're assuming a different approach than I actually took in many cases; maybe my own phrasing helped that. The real point of the ...
The Classics! -- Yingwen Laoshi -- 29 June 2009
...an interesting and thougtful thread. I've enjoyed all the posts. ...have to pick out Raoul's two posts as especially good. A real couple of classics. Not only spot on, in my opinion, but ...
Re: The Classics! -- Macho Fan -- 29 June 2009
Great posts from Raoul!
Re: JN -- Turino -- 28 June 2009
Yep,whatever Raoul Duke may be,one things for sure;he is someone who ain't no grovelling weasel, and therefore deserves respect. In my opinion,too many louwai in China are unlike him in the sense ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 28 June 2009
Sure, I’d be lying if I wrote that I haven’t gone Khrushchev once in a while; although, not of late. I’m a bit out of touch as to how things are done in the more prospered and developed parts of ...
Re: JN -- Turnoi -- 28 June 2009
Interesting - wonna-be-cowboy John Wayne serving as a source to quote "wisdom" from.
Re: JN -- Jerome aka groveling weasel -- 28 June 2009
"What I would like to see, and overseas teachers will probably have to do this themselves, is better more constructive communication and better organisation amongst themselves, though this may have ...
Re: JN -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
On the flip side of that, though, it has caused them to hesitate or balk altogether at the idea of firing a teacher who has proven himself or herself to be totally inappropriate. Ah yes,you're ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 29 June 2009
Excellent response – you did a much better job than me. Thanks for that.
Re: JN -- JN -- 29 June 2009
My wife read to me a really good article recently dealing with the employment of overseas teachers by a Chinese scholar. Apparently, somewhere in the region of about 70% of educational institutions ...
Re: JN -- Jerome -- 29 June 2009
Yes; as I understand it, middle schools, to get around that problem, generally use the license of local universities in order to hire foreign teachers. As for streamlining the system, I'm not ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 30 June 2009
Jerome: Hi, my wife translated the main point from the article to me in passing, as we were sitting at our computers together. The article is in Chinese of course. The guy's name is ...
Re: JN -- Jerome -- 30 June 2009
Yes, Mr. Sun has pointed to a glaring problem that needs to be addressed. Where I'm currently employed, a college that is growing rapidly, I've seen the number of Foreign "teachers" jump from ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 1 July 2009
Jerome, what you have written is a mirror image on what has happened at the college, which I work for. We too have jumped in numbers of overseas teachers, from one or two up to about fourteen in a ...
Re: JN -- Jerome -- 1 July 2009
I'm not sure when the expression "talk and chalk" first came into use or who originally coined the phrase, but I first came across it when reading Martin Wolff's paper on "Holistic English." ...
Re: JN -- cunning linguist -- 2 July 2009
Interesting piece. I too read the paper on holistic approaches some time ago but was saddened at the final outcome of their approach. Plants in the classroom, better classroom layout and with a ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 2 July 2009
Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.
Etymology of 'chalk and talk' -- cunning linguist -- 2 July 2009
Actually the origin of "chalk and talk" intrigued me too, so I checked. "Chalk and talk; also chalk-and-talker A school teacher: Aus[stralia] since ca. 1920. In UK, in the 1970's the phrase has ...
Re: Etymology of 'chalk and talk' -- JN -- 2 July 2009
Thanks for that. I have read in the tabloids: on the chalkface. Meaning at work teaching in the classroom, though it does allude teachers to be manual workers. I would not be surprised if ...
Re: Etymology of 'chalk and talk' -- Jerome -- 2 July 2009
Thanks for the information. I'm quite surprised that it goes back that far. Yes, the Holistic English program itself has not, as far as I know, met with much success yet. Convincing ...
Re: JN -- Silverboy -- 30 June 2009
I note you said that the Dean of your college asked foreign teachers "what they want to teach this year". I thought at a public college or university it should be up to the FT's discretion as to ...
Re: JN -- Turino -- 30 June 2009
Yep,and those Chinese who are doing the screening should be screened in advance too.The problem is that it's hard to find suitable Chinese screeners because their screeners have been bad ...
Re: JN -- Jerome -- 30 June 2009
You're quite right; those who would be screeners are would be screeners. Seriously, though, I think it's safe to say that a little more discretion would go a long way. It's not that ...
Re: JN -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
On the flip side of that, though, it has caused them to hesitate or baulk altogether at the idea of firing a teacher who has proven himself or herself to be totally inappropriate. The probationary ...
Re: JN -- Jerome aka groveling weasel -- 29 June 2009
Balk or baulk: The word can be spelled either way; however, "balk" is more common in America. When the purpose of the probationary period is to reduce salary for a certain amount of time, I also find ...
Re: JN -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
Where I come from,a probationary period in a contract is one-way.It's the employer who has placed the employee on probation.The employee has no right to place the employer on probation!I should ...
Re: JN -- Jerome -- 29 June 2009
This is not your homeland. We can discuss the variables of contracts in our home countries if you'd like, but I'm not particularly interested in that. This is China. Topsy, turvy China where ...
Re: JN -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
So,what's wrong with the standard contract?Surely that should be the starting point.I've no complaints about it.I think it's fair to FT's. It doesn't need a clause relating to ...
Re: JN -- Jerome -- 30 June 2009
I think a contract without a probationary clause is okay, and I think a contract that has a probationary clause is okay also. Naturally, I agree with what you've written regarding the need for ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 30 June 2009
I have to admit, but I have never really thought of a probationary period for overseas teachers. However, on what is in effect a ten month contract, a probationary period seems a bit unrealistic. ...
Re: JN -- HireEd -- 27 June 2009
ARE YOU SERIOUS??? There's so much to respond/react to here, I truly don't know where to begin... All I can say at this point is that JN, your posts -- this one in particular -- are ...
Re: JN -- JN -- 27 June 2009
Was there something in particular, which you read that gave you the impression that I wasn’t serious? Please feel free to respond if you have some thing to write. If you are unsure how to begin, take ...

Xi'an Jiatong - Liverpool University -- Patricia -- 26 June 2009
Hi I just found out that I will be offered a contract to teach as a junior lecturer at Xi'an Jiatong - Liverpool University. I applied for the job as I thought it would be a great opportunity ...

YinChuan Cambridge English School -- Dragonized -- 25 June 2009
This school's parent company is called Ningxia Ruizhi Education Group. This is by far the worst school that I have ever worked at. They start the day by lying, then end the day by lying. Any ...
John Zhong & YinChuan Cambridge English School -- KJK -- 25 June 2009
I once worked at this school in Yinchuan and I posted my experience here aprx. two years ago. I see that the school still uses the same MO with its staff. From the time you first talk with John Zhong ...
Re: YinChuan Cambridge English School -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
Whoa Dragonized there is so much here I must respond to your post below, point by point. Please read all, scroll down and you will see my comments headed with four !!!!, they will also be in bold ...
Re: YinChuan Cambridge English School -- Dragonized -- 26 June 2009
I do give you credit for telling me that I didn't provide enough details about the z-visa process. I had a z-visa for Guiyang when I came back to China and the YinChuan school provided a z-visa ...
Re: YinChuan Cambridge English School -- Turino -- 26 June 2009
No offense but most of the White teachers I've worked with were only self serving types, not the types who would actually take action and help you. Maybe ESL teaching isn't the best option ...

Jiangnan University - Lambton College, Wuxi City -- Ana Nymous -- 24 June 2009
Lambton College - Wuxi, I can say that some Liaison Officers are lazy. They don't know what they're doing and when corrected they murmur. I think they need to put people who knows how to deal ...
Jiangnan University - Lambton College, Wuxi City -- RAMIL BASA RABACA -- 26 June 2009
I have worked at Lambton as an English teacher and I will tell you that the school people are very racist and treat the non-white teachers poorly. As far as the students go the are simple the worst I ...
Re: Jiangnan University - Lambton College, Wuxi City -- Mike -- 25 June 2009
Lambton has a bad reputation all over China and Wuxi is no exception. Wuxi Lambton is probably the worst of the bunch - cheating students, lazy students and administrators, and just totally ...

Re: Arizona School Of English / Los Mochis -- Irene -- 24 June 2009
OK I saw this thread and felt that I had to jump to their defense. I worked at this school for a year and can honestly say that I never had a problem. The students overall were great, the ...

NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- George Hipwell -- 23 June 2009
I was astounded to read some of the commentary regarding several posts over the last few days and felt compelled to add my two cents worth to the commentary. It is truly an unfortunate situation that ...
You are correct NETWORK ESL provide an excellent service -- Rebecca Smithson -- 24 June 2009
Well said Mr Hipwell. As I have said before, from the personal experiences of my friends and I, I have found Network ESL excellent to work with when finding a good teaching job in China. In my ...
NETWORK ESL - Best service guaranteed! -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
NETWORK ESL - a wonderful, trustworthy and very professional organisation! They will serve you as best as they can, and that includes threatening applicants with blacklisting in China when you refuse ...
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- John -- 24 June 2009
Thank you for that. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to write that.
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- Vince -- 24 June 2009
Well put. Thank you! Let's hope we can see some changes.
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- Silverboy -- 24 June 2009
Vince, another grovelling weasel, probably a school owner or a recruiter.
Helpful Link -- JN -- 27 June 2009
Could I refer you to a particularly excellent post on this site, which I think you will find helpful: flame fanning
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 24 June 2009
Well George Hipwell, I saw no need to finished reading your like post, as it was completely self serving, and hypocritical. In one breath you condemn others for bashing recruiters and being just ...
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- Silverboy -- 24 June 2009
I agree, the post of George Hipwell is nothing but a big advertisement for Network ESL. So when I see people coming on here and blowing the trumpet of their own school or recruiter I become very ...
The hidden business agenda of pretend professionals -- Turnoi -- 24 June 2009
I fully second your post, DPP! This poster Hipwell is one of those pretend professionals we already "know" so well - like Jerome, Kevin - Jerome-Kevin, the Great Pretender or whatever. Forget them, I ...

Linfen IELTS School, Linfen, Shanxi -- Primulus -- 23 June 2009
Hi, fellow board readers: Does anyone have any information regarding working for that foriegn teacher recruiter? Feedback of any kind would be much apreciated.
Re: Linfen IELTS School, Linfen, Shanxi -- Ex-TC teacher -- 23 June 2009
Please do not go near LinFen in Shanxi, It was named as the most poluted city in the world. Just looking at the photographic evidence for this will make one feel ill.

Follow-up on death threats by Tianshuo in Changchun -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
I have received a mail this morning from someone whose identity cannot be revealed for security reasons. There is a regular update regarding the situation at Tianshuo in Changchun. I am posting the ...

YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- abstract -- 22 June 2009
YuMing Education After reading their website, and contacting them via email and phone from my home country, YuMing Education seemed like a good place to go and work, How completely and utterly wrong ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
Your story sounds horrible and like a nightmare. In the first instance, if I were you I would have asked for a signed and sealed contract to be sent to me prior tom my departure. Without that, I ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER, as Yangshuo -- Ex-TC teacher -- 22 June 2009
Abstract; I am really sorry for your lousy experience. I'm sure all of us here are sympathetic with you. You are not the only one, as you can see! Boycott Yuming in TianJin and other crap ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
The standard state contract issued by the Bureau for the Administration of Foreign Experts is the only contract I'll sign.The translations are accurate,dismissal procedures are fair to ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- Hoping to Teach in China -- 22 June 2009
Turino: Do you happen to have the type of contracts that you will sign in electronic format that you could paste and post here, for other teachers to use in their negotiations?
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
My computing skills are very basic to say the least.And I no longer have the attachment file on my e-mail address,as I re-signed on paper at the school,causing me to delete it.I don't even know ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- May -- 22 June 2009
Thank you for your breathtaking account, which I read with interest. I have lived and worked in China for over 8 years and what you have experienced offers no surprises. The one thing you have ...
"Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
I agree totally with what you have said - China is not a contract but a relationship society, and besides that almost everything is possible. It is one of the striking differences that set Western ...
A long history -- JN -- 26 June 2009
Their contracts are not worth the paper they are written on because they want to remain in their traditional lawless state and thus keep up with their backwardness in this! Turnoi Really? So you ...
Re: A long history -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
Well, at that time they may have been breeding groveling weasels, I guess. It`s a difficult and demanding job to breed groveling weasels, you know. So, while we underdeveloped Westerners were sitting ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- JN -- 26 June 2009
You are right to agree with May, who provided a sound argument.
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- May 3 -- 24 June 2009
It had a unique culture, it had much to give to others but it was not so much in need of what others could give in return. As you can see, this does not offer a sound basis for a contract-based ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Silverboy -- 24 June 2009
Your way of thinking in regard to this issue is irrational ridiculous as far as I am concerned. So you think if you work for someone you should just rely on verbal promises from them? That is exactly ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- May 4 -- 24 June 2009
A verbal promise is legally binding. E.g. breach of promise. I would advice you thought to moderate you language and show some respect and professionalism, as you intend to become a professional ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turino -- 25 June 2009
A bickerer.Why not take a hike!
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turino -- 25 June 2009
A verbal promise is legally binding. E.g. breach of promise. Please elucidate when a verbal promise is legal in contrast to when it isn't.I'm not a lawyer,so I wouldn't know the ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- JN -- 25 June 2009
I read your whimsical reply with interest. E.g. only one language is necessary surely for a verbal promise? If one spoke Chinese while the other spoke only English how could meaning be transmitted? ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
I am unaware that most if any Chinese speak or write Esperanto. No, most of the Chinese bosses even do not seem to understand Chinese when it comes up to honoring the contract terms laid down in ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Silverboy -- 24 June 2009
Rubbish! A verbal promise IS NOT legally binding. You will not get far in any fair and decent court of law with that one! Where I may or may not be right now is none of your business. BTW, I am a ...
Verbal Agreements -- JN -- 26 June 2009
Are you sure? It is immaterial whether the contract is verbal, in writing, or partially verbal and partially written Briefing Note - Legal Binding Agreements and Verbal Contracts In order to form a ...
Re: Verbal Agreements -- Silverboy -- 26 June 2009
And in which state, province, or country does that clause apply? I have been involved in legal and contractual disputes before, long before I became involved in teaching. A verbal agreement or a ...
Re: Verbal Agreements (JN) -- JN -- 26 June 2009
Laws differ from country to country, and from place to place and can change over a period of time. You argue, a verbal promise does hold weight. Look again at the example I gave you: breach of ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- JN -- 26 June 2009
You are right, even a verbal promise is legally binding - Turnoi
JN talks rubbish! -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
You are right, even a verbal promise is legally binding - Turnoi You see, JN, I say you are talking rubbish because you are using a quote from my text without including the context in which it was ...
flame fanning -- znarf akfak -- 26 June 2009
"It is unfair and dishonest what you did - perhaps you have learned that from those dishonest Chinese people that you must be around with each day." Turnoi Case in point,Turnoi. Is it possible that ...
Pretend Franz Kafka also talks rubbish -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
Your ranting does not change the facts I mentioned. You, pretend Franz Kafka and JN, are one and the same poster, and we all know this fake from Jerome-Kevin boy already! Or are you the Great ...
Re: Pretend Franz Kafka also talks rubbish -- znarf akfak -- 27 June 2009
Could it be, Turnoi/Turnoi that you are now trying a new tactic to cover your tracks? If so, it's a waste of your time. Other readers need only refer to my post that preceded yours to find that I ...
Re: Pretend Franz Kafka also talks rubbish -- Silverboy -- 27 June 2009
You are not May, you are no JN or Jerome/Kevin, however you are still another GROVELLING WEASEL! One of those posters who think that is OK for the the Chinese to be dishonest and incompetent because ...
Re: Pretend Franz Kafka also talks rubbish -- Turnoi -- 28 June 2009
Even the real Franz Kafka might have said the same as you did. He was a decently trained academic with a degree in Law and had graduated from one of the most reputable and famous universities in ...
Re: Pretend Franz Kafka also talks rubbish -- Jerome aka groveling weasel -- 27 June 2009
You are not May, you are no JN or Jerome/Kevin, however you are still another GROVELLING WEASEL! One of those posters who think that is OK for the the Chinese to be dishonest and incompetent because ...
Re: Pretend Franz Kafka also talks rubbish -- JN -- 28 June 2009
Well said.
Use of Words Matters -- JN -- 27 June 2009
Yes, interesting argument and very well presented. This was a response I received from Turnoi on the 26th, June 2009, which I believe may be interpreted as incendary: Well, at that time they may have ...
Self-centredness and Ignorance -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
This was a response I received from Turnoi on the 26th, June 2009, which I believe may be interpreted as incendary: Well, at that time they may have been breeding groveling weasels, I guess. It`s a ...
Re: Use of Words Matters -- znarf akfak -- 27 June 2009
Thanks, JN. Unfortunately, though, Turnoi is using his tactic of claiming one poster is another; therefore, he's now trying to discredit your posts by claiming that you and I are one and the ...
Re: Use of Words Matters -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
It´s good that you read my excellent post! Is it possible that the groveling weasel serving me the morning coffee in the cave was you? I can understand your anger but maybe should take life with a ...
Re: Use of Words Matters -- JN -- 27 June 2009
Look more closely at my post, it was in response to znarf akfak. I am not responsible as to where posts are placed on the board. See below: my post reads - In Response To: flame fanning (znarf akfak)
Re: Lawless societies and relationships -- May 5 -- 25 June 2009
A verbal contract Is legally binding. Look again at the example: breach of contract – that is promising to marry someone for the uninitiated. If you are a professional English teacher, as you say, ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
A verbal contract is legally binding? On what planet? This is not America, and you are presupposing that a person would admit such a verbal agreement if they are at a disadvantage. I don't think ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships -- Silverboy -- 25 June 2009
I also think it is strange that someone who has lived in a certain country for a long time automatically assumes they know more than someone who has not been there that long. As far as I am concerned ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
It´s probably Jerome-Kevin Helsmley (the Suzhou bloke, you know) hiding behind "May 5". Sounds very much like him. He has also posted under the alias The Great Pretender. For the latter alias, take ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships -- Silverboy -- 25 June 2009
Wuhan is not the only place I have worked. However I spent more time there than in any other place. You really are a know it all! FYI, you are speaking a load of rubbish like most of the other ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships -- JN -- 25 June 2009
I do not think May has suggested that she only has faith in verbal promises, but that verbal promises are a part of society, be it China or the West. Some might argue there is a verbal promise ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
I do not think May has suggested that she only has faith in verbal promises, but that verbal promises are a part of society, be it China or the West. Well, it comes across like that, and that is due ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships (JN) -- JN -- 26 June 2009
The words May has written are interpreted by those whom read her work, as meaning is constantly negotiated, as Wittgenstein rightly informs us. The meaning behind the words May has written are not a ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships (JN) -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
So, could you tell us know in how far your reasoning has any practical relevance to the topic in question? I would say, it is irrelevant and off-topic. To quote Wittgenstein in this context is ...
Re: Lawless societies and relationships (JN) -- JN -- 27 June 2009
Turnoi, 26th, June 2009 - So, could you tell us know in how far your reasoning has any practical relevance to the topic in question? The works of Wittgenstein, with his unique understanding of ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
You are right, even a verbal promise is legally binding. It´s common sense, irrespective of cultural patterns. It´s even explicitly stated in the laws of many countries. There is another reason why a ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
I think what posters like myself and silverboy are saying is that, though in theory yes a verbal agreement "can" be legally binding, in reality it rarely works out that way. Let's just forget the ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- JN -- 27 June 2009
I do not disagree with what you have presented, although, you have made a fine case for the need for good relations with people, simply because contracts are rarely adhered to in China’s educations ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
Let`s reduce all this to the following: Even if you were right in a legal issue, it`s more difficult to get your right. If you fail to prove that you are right, you won`t get your right although you ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- May 6 -- 25 June 2009
Verbal promises have their place and evidence can be provided, but nobody is suggesting it would be an easy thing to do. Besides, on a lighter note, we accept verbal promises, which we expect to be ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
Your Aunt Sally suggestion is not at all clear, and your insisting on verbal contracts is not very helpful anyway. You need to prove things in case of a dispute and nor rely on the "good will" of the ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- JN -- 26 June 2009
An aunt sally is your false argument. You have set up a false argument, so you can knock it down, but the premise, which was yours, was false to begin with. Are you clear?
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- May 2 -- 23 June 2009
Things are different these days. Agreements between two or more nations, contracts between international companies have become more important these days, and if China wants to be regarded as a ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Turino -- 23 June 2009
However, for the time being, I would advise any foreigner to work on their relationship with a college, not scrutinize the contract as soon as there is a problem. And I would advise foreigners to ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Think before you act -- 24 June 2009
I strongly and sincerely ask new overseas teachers to think very carefully before following the advice of this chap. Yes, it’s better for a western teacher to have both parties to follow a contract ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- Silverboy -- 24 June 2009
I strongly advise that you stop speaking crap in regard to the advice given by "that chap".
Thinking and Acting -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
Yes, it`s a bit of naive and foolish crap, far from reality - well-intentioned may be, but certainly fails to resolve the problems of an FT in that kind of situation. The poster you are referring to ...
Re: "Lawless" societies and "relationships" -- T -- 24 June 2009
I strongly and sincerely ask new overseas teachers to think very carefully before following the advice of this chap. Again, my advice, should the written contract fail to resolved any problems, is ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
The only good thing about you experience is that, just lately China is seeing a lot more westerners coming to China to teach, because of the financial crisis. When so many foreigner go back home with ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
Sorry abstract I tried to read your entire post about Yuming in Tianjin, but your writing is terrible, and the post itself is too long convoluted, and you repeat yourself on numerous occasions. That ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- Gore -- 22 June 2009
My goodness, did write that another person's writing was terrible? Sorry abstract I tried to read your entire post about Yuming in Tianjin, but your writing is terrible, because the post itself ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
You have a keen grasp of the obvious gore, and you mistake bad typing with bad writing, and my typing ain't so bad ;) In truth I was speaking to writing writing, descriptive, narrative, that sort ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- abstract -- 22 June 2009
DitheringPidderPadder, whilst I agree that my post is very long, I had a lot to say. To be perfectly honest, anyone who is in the position of considering a job with this company may well spend some ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 23 June 2009
Hey now, I said that from your words it sounds like a crap job, and also I was able to get through about half. Yes it is long, but you seem to miss my point. It was not the length that was the ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- abstract -- 23 June 2009
Well, I was extremely annoyed when I wrote this, and additionally, had put away almost a full bottle of vintage Châteauneuf-du-Pape, so I admit that upon reading through with a clear head, I have ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- Turnoi -- 24 June 2009
Yes, I fully understand that you were annoyed, felt really disappointed, angry and frustrated. Very understandable from a human point of view, none of us could ever claim that he/she does not feel ...
ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY -- JN -- 26 June 2009
Most (may be even "all") Turnoi On what basis is that written? China is a big country with numerous training centers, but you have attempted to include all of them in your negative perspective. I ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
No, I did not read that warning, and I do not need to. It´s very simple: I do not trust any of them, so I would not work for any of them, and this is what also recommend to other people. And I also ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- JN -- 26 June 2009
If you put aside your spleen and repellent for just a moment you would see that China is the best place to teach today. What China offers is a chance to begin teaching in an education system that is ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Finbar -- 27 June 2009
If you put aside your spleen and repellent for just a moment you would see that China is the best place to teach today. Not just the best place to teach today, but the best country to have taught in ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
Well, China may be the best place to teach today because there still are many, many jobs irrespective of the worldwide economical crisis caused by some irresponsible people in the US financial ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Silverboy -- 27 June 2009
Another snivelling weasel here on the board, you GW's, SW's certainly know how to speak garbage here! There is nothing "great" about education in China, the private EFL sector is just ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- groveling weasel -- 27 June 2009
When you have the time, Silverboy, please add to our awareness of the "crappy English teaching history in China." Was there ever a time it wasn't "crappy?" If so, when did it actually start ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Turnoi -- 28 June 2009
Even groveling weasels have their moments of real enlightment at certain times. The questions you have asked are all reasonable and should be responded to accordingly. However, you have addressed the ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Silverboy -- 27 June 2009
Xinhua is a top tier college? Why? Because the Chinese say it is? Of course they will say that, it is a common technique used by staff at many Chinese schools, they might be working at a crappy ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- groveling weasel -- 27 June 2009
Glad I could get a chuckle out of you. So, basically, you're asserting that there's no such thing as top tier university or college in China. Is that correct?
"Unis" and unis -- Turnoi -- 28 June 2009
You have asked Silverboy but I will add my comment; I am asserting there are far too many low-profile universities in Mainland China who even do not deserve the name "university" they are claiming ...
Re: "Unis" and unis -- groveling weasel -- 28 June 2009
I wouldn't argue with either of those assertions.
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Silverboy -- 27 June 2009
Chinese universities are considered to be a joke by Western standards. China may have what Chinese consider to be "top univesities" but China does not have any world class universities, not by a long ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
Perhaps it is in the self-serving interest of all the groveling weasels and Great Pretenders around on this board to keep things in the Chinese education system the way they are. It could well be ...
Re: ONE SIZE FITS ALL MENTALITY (JN) -- Turino -- 27 June 2009
White monkeys,as Raoul Duke said;in a muppet show,as you said! By the way,haven't you noticed that Kevin hasn't replied to Raoul's last post yet? Could be that he's nothing worthwhile ...
Response -- Turnoi -- 28 June 2009
It presents a complete and holistic picture if Raoul mentions white monkeys and if I add that White Monkeys are expected to act in a big muppet show organised by the Chinese side. It is what you can ...
Re: YUMING EDUCATION CENTER - TIANJIN -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 24 June 2009
I agree with you there, thankfully I am not considering a job with them, were I I'm sure I would read it through however it was composed.

Suzhou Foreign Language School -- Susan Bing -- 21 June 2009
I have recently worked at Suzhou Foreign Language School and it was great. The staff were very helpful and the students were just delightful. I guess teaching in China is not for everybody, but I can ...
Re: Suzhou Foreign Language School -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
Wow Susan Bing, a self serving statement about how teaching here is not for everybody, a positive review of the school with no details about why it is so popular, someone we have never seen before, ...

Nanshan Bilingual School, Shenzhen -- Butchwax -- 20 June 2009
Dear All, Nanshan Bilingual School is the worst school to work at and send students to. The principle, Mr. L, does not honor contracts and cheats teachers out of pay whenever possible. The students ...
Re: Nanshan Bilingual School, Shenzhen -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 23 June 2009
This doesn't surprise me, most school owners see teachers as a dime a dozen. They know that if they cheat a foreign teacher, so what, another sucker will come along who hasn't done the proper ...

Go with the Flow in Suzhou -- Craven Image -- 20 June 2009
In case anyone didn't already know, Kevin of SFLS goes with the flow in Suzhou. He's a local hero there, you'd better believe it! As there's plenty of freshwater in little Venice that ...
SIFLIS, Kevin, a Hasty Retreat and Great Evil -- StephanieB -- 23 June 2009
Dear All, 血も涙もない. Thank you all so very much for your great contributions on all of the threads having to do with Mr. Kevin and with his infamous school ...

DPP -- Jerome -- 19 June 2009
"I mean really, don't you trainined center lackies ever learn? We are quite "discerning" actually, and we FT's know when your trying to pull a fast one. People we have never seen before, ...
Re: DPP -- Turnoi -- 20 June 2009
Oh, Kevin-Jerome, why don´t you stop that kind of posting? Why do you expect any respect and fairness to be shown to you when you yourself are not prepared to do the same? You know, I have never seen ...

Shanghai BSK Academy -- Silverboy -- 19 June 2009
I just saw an add for this place, 11000RMB a month, OK for Shanghai if you have a free apartment and utilities. 26-35 classes a week ( some on Saturday ) thats crap. Teachers must pay for their own ...
Re: Shanghai BSK Academy -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 20 June 2009
I have to agree with silverboy. Shanghai is by far the most expensive city in China. 11,000 doesn't go very far, especially if you are having to pay your own bills. 3,000 RMB won't get you a ...

Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Dragonized -- 18 June 2009
The managers at private training centers all have a vested interest in keeping their school afloat. However rampant incompetence hinders their goals of keeping teachers consistently satisfied. They ...

Suzhou Foreign Language School - Drunkards -- Turnoi -- 19 June 2009
Raoul Duke - a "drunkard"? Here is another post made by one of Kevin-Jerome`s ghostwriters (or also possibly by himself in person under one of his many aliases) asserting that Raoul Duke is a ...
Re: Suzhou Foreign Language School - Drunkards -- Silverboy -- 22 June 2009
Yes, calling an FT a drunkard is a standard technique that training schools use to try and discredit any foreigner who exposes their lies and corruption. And if a foreign teacher really does become ...
Re: Suzhou Foreign Language School - Drunkards -- Turnoi -- 22 June 2009
In such a situation as you describe it, I would not become an alcoholic. Hardly ever drink anything like that. Years ago, I did. However, I would know how to make them feel my anger otherwise. I have ...
In praise of Raoul Duke -- HireEd -- 19 June 2009
To slander Raoul Duke is personally offensive to me. During the years I was in China, Raoul Duke (and his website) offered great information, advice, and commaraderie for me -- and countless other ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Turnoi -- 19 June 2009
Yes, I fully agree with you - to me, Raoul Duke is a person of integrity beyond doubt, and the services he provides to inform and help other fellow FTs in China are highly appreciated. So, I did not ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Raoul Duke -- 20 June 2009
Wow. Thanks, guys. I'm overwhelmed. I've always tried to keep the quality and integrity of the Saloon high. I do not fear the weasels; never have and never will. My opinion has never been for ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 20 June 2009
Well to be honest Raoul, and no offense intended, but I have heard that the loon is running ther looney bin over there at your Saloon. I have talked to several people that told me you demand random ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Raoul Duke -- 21 June 2009
Ah, yes, I probably know who you talked to. We haven't missed him a bit. The truth is: I ask people for 2-3 sentences about themselves and their connection to China. If someone registers using ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
I heard different, and read some emails from you to this person you "claim" to know, implying that what I spoke of was isolated, it's not, a number of people I know have said the same thing, not ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Raoul Duke -- 22 June 2009
Ya know, DPP, I couldn't care less what you've heard, and I feel no real compunction to justify anything about myself and my site to you or to anyone else. The bulk of the Saloon is freely ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 23 June 2009
Well as they say actions speak louder then words. Your action, posting here, says otherwise, says that you do indeed care. As for Daves esl cafe, haven't been there in years, I find it to have a ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Raoul Duke -- 23 June 2009
Ah, that's very different. If you don't like Dave's ESL Cafe aka The Greasy Spoon aka Chez Fasciste, then we at least have one thing we can agree on. Cheers. ;-{)
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Turnoi -- 22 June 2009
Yes, I would agree with Raoul that the tone on ESL cafe has become much too rude. I am a signed-up member there, too. But I have refrained from posting there any longer years ago because of that. The ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Ahem..... ahem -- 22 June 2009
Ahen....You wrote "I have to say in my short time here at ESL cafe ..." and "No, I think I will stick with where I am here on ESL cafe..."
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
Wow I made a mistake and used the word cafe, don't you just love how people try and distract you by attacking simple mistakes, or ho they latch onto them when they can't actual argue or ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Turnoi -- 22 June 2009
DPP is indeed a discerning reader, you know.
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
On Raul's Saloon,I've seen Dave's ESL Cafe referred to as 'the greasy spoon' by one of the regular posters.I wonder why it's called that!Can anyone out there enlighten us?
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
I really love greasy spoon places - the dirtier the better they are for my special purposes. They are the places where I get my most delicious foodstuffs from to feed my crocodiles...lol.
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- AMonk -- 22 June 2009
Hi Turino!! A "Greasy Spoon" is a local hangout in many smaller communities (usually a Cafe) where you go to get the latest gossip, whilst downing greasy burgers, greasy french fries and gallons of ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
You have to love damage control efforts, the use of the term Amonk is referring to was clearly meant as a negative, and was meant to be a snide put down delivered from a superior view point. Come on, ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Raoul Duke -- 22 June 2009
Of course it's meant as a negative. AMonk is just a nice person. A "greasy spoon" is a bad cafe...a cheap joint with bad food, hostile staff, and sloppy hygiene, where no discerning person would ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
Yes, I can confirm that AMonk is a nice person and a person that makes posting in a forum a pleasure. Never an aggressive word towards anyone but helpful and friendly. I have seen his posts on ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Raoul Duke -- 24 June 2009
And better yet, he's very much a she. ;-{)
Re: In praise of AMonk -- HireEd -- 24 June 2009
Oy vey! Alright, already! I was quite annoyed, offended in fact that someone called Sir Duke a "drunkard," and continued to slam his integrity and credibility, and so I posted "In praise of Raoul ...
Re: In praise of AMonk -- Turnoi -- 24 June 2009
This is a good and encouraging thread. Despite all the ranting and petty fights taking place over here, this is a good occasion to express our appreciation for those who are of service to the ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
I hadn't realised that 'a greasy spoon' is an idiom,but I knew that it was not a compliment as the literal meaning is kind of yucky. Click on the link below: ...
Re: In praise of Raoul Duke -- StephanieB -- 20 June 2009
Raoul, Un gros merci...et de grosses bises de tout coeur, Mme de B. P.S. A Kevin, what is the proper English translation of "bully"?
Translation of "Bully" -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
It`s translation in action, I am afraid. Here, you will some more theoretical feedback: http://www.suzhoufls.webs.com/ Perhaps you would like to read the information on that site, and you will know ...

Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Deborah -- 18 June 2009
This is a quote from a post in Raoul´s China Saloon. Please pay attention to the sentence marked in red below. But I'm sure Kev is squealing something awful. You see, it turns out that he's ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- andiquote -- 18 June 2009
Hardly matters whether or not he's a manager. He still has the right to express himself in this forum. ''(He's also, of course, the Kev7161 who's such a ray of sunshine at ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Raoul Duke -- 20 June 2009
Saaaayyyy WHAT?!???!? You're saying that, if someone is touting a school, it doesn't matter knowing that the person doing the touting is also a manager at that very school and has a direct ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Turnoi -- 20 June 2009
Andiquote, you are the brightest bulb in the department store because you are working at Kevin´s "school"!
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- watcheronacastironbalcony -- 19 June 2009
''(He's also, of course, the Kev7161 who's such a ray of sunshine at Dave's ESL Cafe, and the Kevin who was so wildly popular at a Dongguan summer camp a few years ago...) ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Turino -- 19 June 2009
watcheronacastironbalcony Date: 19 June 2009 In Response To: Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager (andiquote) ''(He's also, of course, the Kev7161 who's such a ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- watcheronacastironbalcony -- 22 June 2009
watcheronacastironbalcony,come on now,please be fair.Don't tar all your fellow posters on this board with the same brush.Absolutely! Alas, it seems as though I have caught ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
It would seem that the IQ of this board's participants is quite low. The quote above positively reeks of irony, but the "andiquote" poster believes it...literally! watcheronacastironbalcony,come ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Deborah -- 19 June 2009
Hardly matters whether or not he's a manager. He still has the right to express himself in this forum. No, it doesn´t matter. But he should say that he is a manager. His not mentioning it is ...
The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- StephanieB -- 19 June 2009
Deborah, Let's examine this calmly. First I agree with you. Kevin tends to mimimize the venomous damage that he can inflict upon foreign teachers in his school. Yes, he is a manager. All of the ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 20 June 2009
Thank you very much, StephanieB, for your enlightening and informative post! I have guessed it for a long time - someone like Kevin-Jerome who so far has never had to say anything nice or kind ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 20 June 2009
FTs, in so many cases, are a big part of the problem. Blaming the Chinese side of things only is being shortsighted and mean spirited. Clear enough for you? Rant on, ranter. Your disciples like it, ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
Here is something you really could blame the likes of you for: http://www.suzhoufls.webs.com/
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Silverboy -- 20 June 2009
To blame the Chinese side is exactly the correct thing to do as that is where most of the problems come from. 98 per cent of training school owners and DOS should be removed immediately, many of them ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 20 June 2009
"TC owners and corrupt DOS have been getting away with their crimes for way to long. Now is the time for them to step up, take responsibilty for the actions, and pay for past sins." SB Hallelujah, ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
I guess that exposé of your pretend student is your own "work" including some unreferenced passages from Mark Twain and Adolf Hitler! Very pretend professional, indeed! The author would be you but ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 20 June 2009
"Here is a challenge for you "Jerome", post your e-mail address and photo here on this board and tell everyone which city you are working in, like I have done several times." Silverboy Why, ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
Kevin-Jerome comparing himself with Albert Einstein, he? Or is that Jekyll and Hyde?
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
If you were such an expert on America, as you have claimed in the past, you would have realized that the picture is of Mark Twain, not Albert Einstein. Nice try, though.
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 20 June 2009
Wow this guy fancies himself akin to Mark Twain, one of the most overrated writers of all time, what a shocker. Couldn't have picked someone who was rated accurately in terms of esteem and ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
Yes, I would feel sorry for any Chinese girl if she were to marry a Westerner who is so obviously a China basher. As for my credibility, if I garnished even a small iota from the likes of you and ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
You will sooner or later know how it really is. It´s NOT the way you think!!!!!
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
DPP, may be you have not noticed yet - I am the reincarnation of William Shakespeare in person! Good old Willy (Billiy) is much greater than Mark Twain, and Jerome-Kevin is on top of all of them! ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
Juvenile................
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 20 June 2009
"To blame the Chinese side is exactly the correct thing to do as that is where most of the problems come from. 98 per cent of training school owners and DOS should be removed immediately, many of ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- DitheringPidderPader -- 21 June 2009
Why single out the DOS? Aren't FTs employed by said schools also participants in the scam? Of course they are. Therefore, many of them, as well, should be jailed and punished for the activities ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 20 June 2009
Well certainly it seems like you believe it is a popularity contest Jerome?Kevin, seeing as you stoop to the level of name calling, certainly Silverboy is not a toddler, and I doubt you know anything ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
Since you are so quick to jump to the defense of SB, it is obvious you approve of his calling people grovelling weasels, corporate lackeys and etc. Apparently then, you also accept his description of ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- turino -- 21 June 2009
Re: Frey: Get back to me about your stuff that Dream Education told me they want to give back to By:Penelope Date: 23 May 2009 In Response To: Re: Frey: Get back to me about your stuff that Dream ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 21 June 2009
OK let me get this straight, your saying that FT's who work for training centers are as responsible for the training centers being crappy as the owners and operators? That logic just doesn't ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
DitheringPidderPadder Date: 21 June 2009 In Response To: Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues (Jerome) OK let me get this straight, your saying that FT's who work for training centers ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
If I really needed attention, wouldn't it be logical to assume that I'd use my real name, post a picture and an email address, and take the popular position. Oh yes, I really enjoy all the ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
I do so love when people quote other people, seems kind of unoriginal to me. As for getting sucked into other peoples games, you started this, dance, trying to lay off blame on others is poor poor ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Silverboy -- 22 June 2009
No, you will not reveal your true indentity, you are a coward with no balls just like I suspected. You GW"s are all the same, you expect posters like Turnoi, myself and others, to reveal our full ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 22 June 2009
"No, you will not reveal your true indentity, you are a coward with no balls just like I suspected." SB “If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
and if you treat me like s*** just because my opinion differs from yours, I'll throw it right back atcha. This is what you have been doing to others all the time, Kevin-Jerome - treating others ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 21 June 2009
Here, Jerome-Kevin, is what I have especially prepared for you, and I think everybody should know. The rest is not my business, it´s for the authorities concerned to sort that out. Another fax in ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
Wow, that is truly frightening, the link you posted, I can certainly say I would never consider working for this Suzhou school. Diddles his students and is a lover with the schools Bi-sexual boss, ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Turnoi -- 22 June 2009
Please note these are accusations, no proof yet. But they have been around in Suzhou for years, and a lot of locals including foreign expats working there know about them. To me, these are not ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
If Kevin is actually guilty, I would then agree with you that he should pay for his crimes. Fortunately, though, I'm from a country where there is an assumption of innocence until proof of guilt ...
Re: The School, Kevin, Bipolar and Other Issues -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
Yes, I see. When everything else fails, resort to threats. Typical.
Regarding Kevin, Suzhou Foreign Language School -- Diana -- 21 June 2009
http://www.esl-jobs-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=4554
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Kevin -- 19 June 2009
But he should say that he is a manager. Okay, I'll say it . . . I am not a manager. Someone, somewhere says I'm a "manager" and 12 people suddenly believe it? I'm a full time teacher in a ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Turnoi -- 19 June 2009
Oh, poor Kevin-Jerome - why didn´t you say so in your post here: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=72816 You neither mentioned that you are a "teacher" at this "school" nor did you ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 19 June 2009
Oh please, this is Kevin posting about himself and giving himself a good review at some obscure summer camp/ Come on people, what are the odss that out of the hundreds of thousands of foreigners in ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- isaidso -- 18 June 2009
How about a little proof, dearie. As things stand presently, this is just more B.S.
Re: Suzhou Foreign Language "School" and Kevin, the manager -- Turino -- 18 June 2009
The purpose of this post is to correct the heading of this thread so that future postings,be they negative or positive re Suzhou Foreign language School will show up in a search engine search. Nice ...

Guiyang No.1 High School -- hohum -- 18 June 2009
Anyone know anything about this school. The ad looks pretty good etc. Looking for anything that would steer me away from this place. If it is good I would also like to know thanks.
Re: Guiyang No.1 High School -- Brian -- 21 June 2009
Hello Hohum I used to live in Guiyang in 2007 and work for a school called Interlingua Dayang. The high school itself is amazing in landscaping and views, however the classrooms themselves are no ...

NETWORK ESL provide a top service -- Rebecca Smithson -- 16 June 2009
To those seeking teaching positions in China, I too would like to say that my experiences with dealing with and being placed by Network ESL have been excellent, I have used Network ESL for every one ...

A good example of Pretend Profesionalism -- Turnoi -- 16 June 2009
Jerome, this lesson has been written especially for you: http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/review/index.pl?read=25429
Re: A good example of Pretend Profesionalism -- Jerome -- 16 June 2009
My assertion was based on your ill written post that first referenced the three Americans. Had you been a little more clear, you would not have had to go to all the trouble of clearing up the ...

Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Turnoi -- 15 June 2009
Here is something you can read for self-instruction, especially the pretend professionals on this board are urgently advised to do so. To all others, enjoy! ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Silverboy -- 16 June 2009
You are right Turnoi, a SCAM is exactly what Suzhou Foreign Language School is. This "school" rips off gullible Chinese parents and exploits young Chinese students. Kevin's pathetic post is ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- The Great Pretender -- 16 June 2009
Are you one of the pretend professionals Turino? Besides, you have written nothing and presented no facts; only a link to other's people's work. I doubt if you have worked for any of schools ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Turino -- 18 June 2009
'The Great Pretender' has posted: Are you one of the pretend professionals Turino? Besides, you have written nothing and presented no facts; only a link to other's people's work. I ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Turnoi -- 16 June 2009
One of the pretend professionals I was referring to may be the one who wrote "Suzzhou". I suggest you look in the mirror...lol.
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Jerome -- 16 June 2009
So, what personal experience have you had with this school, Turnoi, and what gives you the impression that Kevin has not provided a fair and balanced explanation of it? Oh, wait, never mind, you ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Silverboy -- 16 June 2009
Jerome, I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt for a while, but it seems that you are just another grovelling weasel. I am astounded that you can't see through all the BS that Kevin ...
Re: Suzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Turino -- 16 June 2009
Just changed the post heading in case there is another city in China by the name of Suzzhou with a decent foreign language school named after it.After all,we shouldn't tar all such foreign ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Jerome -- 16 June 2009
"Like I said Jerome, you really come across as being just another grovelling weasel and corporate lackey. I suppose you think EF is great as well." Silverboy Interesting and enlightening. I'm so ...
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Turnoi -- 17 June 2009
Yes, if "Jerome" is the same poster as "Kevin", he does not only come across as a corporate lackey of a crappy business in China - no, then he actually is one.
Re: Suzzhou Foreign Language "School" - the best place to work or in China! -- Turnoi -- 16 June 2009
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