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Do you have a problem fitting in.... -- A Strange In My Own Land -- 2 July 2009
I ran across this blog post some time ago and with the board receiving posts on racism recently, I thought it might shed some light on what it is like to be 'stranger in your own land.' A ...

Background Check for Korean Visa -- Sam -- 1 July 2009
I am very interesting in teaching ESL in Korea. I have been reading that you need to have a criminal background check in order to get a visa. I have several minor misdemeanors, mostly dating back ...
Re: Background Check for Korean Visa -- Theo -- 1 July 2009
Sam, I can't say for certain, but I think the history of misdemeanors you mention in your post will likely prevent you from obtaining a visa for Korea. But that's just one of several hoops ...

Emphasised rules for the Forum -- cunning linguist -- 1 July 2009
If you want to post a message then please see the rules which have recently had emphasis added: - The purpose of this board is to help each other. Please be supportive whenever possible. Please be ...

Racism in China -- from the Shanghai Star -- 29 June 2009
Shanghai Star. 2003-04-17 (6 year old article) DURING my stay in China all I ever experienced were racial taunts, blatant discrimination and general loathing from the majority" says mixed-race ...
Re: Racism in China -- Laowai With An Attitude -- 1 July 2009
Yes, the quoted article is from the Shanghai Star. However, you are misleading readers by using the June 29, 2009 date. This article is much older - try Shanghai Star. 2003-04-17.. It didn't ...
Re: Racism in China -- Turino -- 1 July 2009
I have taught in Yuncheng city of Shanxi province,where many of the FT's were from Africa.They were having a great time at school and after school in that city,which has earned the nickname of ...
Re: Racism in China -- Laowai With An Attitude -- 2 July 2009
You are, of course, correct about much of the Chinese populations attitude towards the Japanese. But, I would hasten to add even this, as you say, understandable attitude is changing slowly. There is ...
Re: Racism in China -- eng.teacher -- 30 June 2009
Take a look at this article from a couple of years ago. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2007-03/17/content_829911.htm If you need any further proof of how many Chinese truly view non Chinese just ...
Re: Racism in China -- WOLF TOTEM -- 1 July 2009
DISGUSTING ! Yes, and so is your blatant attempt to frame the Chinese as being MORE racist from other, all, cultures that have their proponents for racial purity which include every nations ...
Re: Racism in China -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 1 July 2009
Yes but let's be honest, the Chinese are more racist, due to the isolationism. These people still stare at foreigners like they are two headed zombies from another planet, you don't get that ...
Re: Racism in China -- Lookbutdontstare -- 1 July 2009
China has its fair share of stare worthy foreigners. Many of which seem to be oblivious that their ridiculous clothes or their odd behavior might be what's attracting the extra attention. Some ...
Re: Racism in China -- WOLF TOTEM -- 1 July 2009
Neither yourself nor I or any other person that has posted on this board is qualified to speak directly to the subject. You are entitled, at THEY say, to your opinion. But your conclusions are ...
Re: Racism in China -- Jerome -- 2 July 2009
An excellent and informative post, WT. Thanks!
Re: Racism in China -- oneapologist -- 2 July 2009
The fact that some Chinese stare at us doesn't mean they are racists. Uneducated, ignorant in terms of other cultures and countries, sure, but racist? - I don't think so. If you had, for ...
Re: Racism in China -- Silverboy -- 2 July 2009
I agree that many Chinese people are extremely racist, however I have met many Chinese people who are not the slightest bit racist. Outside of private language schools I have not really met any ...
Re: Racism in China -- cunning linguist -- 29 June 2009
Thanks, interesting article that I had not seen before. Here's another more recent link on the subject of racism -this time from China Daily, reporting on an international conference last April. ...
Re: Racism in China -- Macho Fan -- 30 June 2009
Don't judge the whole of China on what can happen to foreigners in Shanghai. Many foreigners in China would never go there to work,only for a vacation,maybe - they know better!
Re: Racism in China -- Andrew Dewitte -- 2 July 2009
...Well, of course there is racism in China. At the very least in regards to the hiring of foreign teachers. In general, Chinese seem to have a very deferential attitude toward caucasians in general. ...

Death of Louwai in China -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
I've read that the cremated remains or the actual bodies of louwai without Chinese spouses who die in China must be sent back to their homelands according to Chinese law.And I also noted from the ...
Re: Death of Louwai in China -- cunning linguist -- 30 June 2009
Perhaps the simplest way of checking the facts would be to contact the relevant Embassy or Consulate?
Re: Death of Louwai in China -- cunning linguist -- 30 June 2009
Rather morbid, but something we all have to consider (Death and taxes etc) if we plan to stay in China. But I wonder why my body would have to be sent to Nigeria? Just joking. Not straightforward to ...

Chinese Marriage and Job - Please help! -- Dave -- 29 June 2009
I am a teacher in China and I am posting this question on behalf of a colleague of mine who is virtually catatonic with worry and simply not functioning right now. He is 72 years old and married a ...
Re: Chinese Marriage and Job - Please help! -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
Might I make a suggestion?He can appoint his Chinese wife as his agent.They should visit the PSB in his wife's hometown.There she can discuss calmly how he can stay legally in China. As for his ...
Re: Chinese Marriage and Job - Please help! -- Dave -- 29 June 2009
Thanks, Turino, for your suggestions on here and sent to my e-mail address. I will let him have a copy of what you have said and he can then take it from there. Dave
Re: Chinese Marriage and Job - Please help! -- Turino -- 30 June 2009
Thanks, Turino, for your suggestions on here and sent to my e-mail address. I will let him have a copy of what you have said and he can then take it from there. Dave You're welcome. By the ...

Standard FT Contract, in both languages -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
No. CONTRACT ISSUED BY THE STATE ADMINISTRATION OF FOREIGN EXPERTS AFFAIRS CONTRACT I. Party A wishes to engage the service of Party B as . The two parties, in a spirit of friendly cooperation, agree ...

request for advice about a China visa issue -- meipang -- 26 June 2009
Let me begin by saying that this is simply a request for advice and I do not want to wade through rantings of those who want to question my sense of morality, professionalism or anything else. ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- T2D -- 30 June 2009
My original plan was to hang about this city where I now find myself until my present RP expires and then maybe stay here on a series of “F” visas. I know this city well and working on any type of ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- Helper -- 28 June 2009
Schools in Guangzhou (I can’t speak for other cities in Guangdong) are very particular about obtaining a copy of the last applicable F.E.C. of any foreign teacher who has previously worked in China. ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- cunning linguist -- 27 June 2009
The details you provide are a bit sketchy, which I can understand, but I will try and help by posing a few questions. Does your former employer know you are still in China? Do you think they may ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- meipang -- 28 June 2009
This situation has gotten beyond weird. I chatted on QQ with a Chinese ex-colleague from my former school today. The term just ended at the school and, amazingly, every “Western” teacher AND the ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
All except one,a Filipino resigned.I take it that means the teachers who left left before their contracts were up after negotiating the cessation of their contracts with the school director.How very ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- meipang -- 29 June 2009
I KNEW I would hear from you eventually. I'm telling you that everything I said was true, as strange as it sounds and I, unlike some of the other posters here, have more important things to do ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- Turino -- 29 June 2009
Maybe you needn't return to your homeland for a Z.Check Raoul's Saloon.Someone there in Beijing has identified an 'indirect' way to get a Z from HK via a work permit through a ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- cunning linguist -- 28 June 2009
"... it seems to me the former school has a lot on its plate right now and would be nuts to give itself yet another headache by fighting my being hired by another school. ... I'll bet every ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- Turino -- 28 June 2009
Meipang,don't forget to name and shame your former 'school' in the 'School and Recruiters Section' of the board once you've managed to resolve your 'release letter' ...
Re: request for advice about a China visa issue -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
A RP always depends on a certain at a certain school at a certain place - namely, the school that sponsored your Z visa, changing your Z visa into an RP later, etc. If your RP is still valid and not ...

Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- Turnoi -- 27 June 2009
Could you kindly send me a copy of your Master and Doctoral Dissertation in an electronic format and as an email attachment, if available and if you would like? In return, I would offer to send some ...
Re: Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau MA,PhD,DPh(ongoing research) -- 28 June 2009
Since I have no idea about who you are, you request has been turned down automatically. I don't want any material that you might have at your school either however good you think they maybe. I ...
Reply to Mr. Ngin Sian Pau -- Turnoi -- 28 June 2009
OK, this answer of yours makes it clear to me that there are no real MA or PhD theses you can provide. Fair enough, Mr. Pau! If there were, they would be publicly accessible. Thatīs common practice ...
Re: Reply to Mr. Ngin Sian Pau -- Prof.Dr David Ngin Sian Pau -- 28 June 2009
I am not Mr.Ngin Sian Pau but Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau in this forum though my passport name is just as the one you have written. To answer your question, you should know that no university ...
Re: Reply to Mr. Ngin Sian Pau -- cunning linguist -- 29 June 2009
In response to Turnoi you wrote " ....you should know that no university (my emphasis) including the one you studied before will allow you or other to access any dissertation of any one except ...
Re: Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- cunning linguist -- 28 June 2009
Interesting response, and not unexpected from you I would suggest. If you as well-qualified as you claim to be and your "university" is bona-fide, would it not be simpler to post a link to your work ...
Re: Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 30 June 2009
See the meaning of the word "comprehensive" again and learn what I really mean. The meaning of the word "Comprehensive" as per your understanding is "every details or inclusive" but what I mean is ...
Re: Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- Turino,BSc,Maths,Ord,Edin -- 30 June 2009
Part of Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau's reply to a post by 'cunning linguist' is shown below: No ThD degree holder except you have ever made such degrading a person's philosophy or ...
Re: Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- cunning linguist -- 30 June 2009
"Why a PhD and ThD degree holder from a UK university can't understand such an easy writing untill now. You make me crazy. I am happy that I didn't go to the UK or US university you went for ...
Re: Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- Prof. Dr. Lord. Admiral. sir eng.JOKER.Phd,Mba, abc,wba.123 -- 30 June 2009
'That's why I can boldly say that I am the top teaching English professor in the world......' Errrr ok matey boy. I believe ya ! We get some coming on here don't we eh? Space monkey ...
Re: Question to Prof. Dr. Ngin Sian Pau -- cunning linguist -- 30 June 2009
Your list of academic credentials is impressive, (in a Cosmos sense). Have you considered adding a CDM? For those who are unaware of this qualification, the letters stand for Cadbury's Dairy Milk.
The Cat will be absent temporarily -- Turnoi -- 1 July 2009
To all "enemies" and friends/"friends", I will be away for some time - first in holydays and then on travel overseas in connection with my work. By the end of July I am scheduled to spend some days ...
Re: The Cat will be absent temporarily -- Silverboy -- 1 July 2009
OK Turnoi, enjoy your holidays and your overseas travel. Sure you will have an interesting time! Regards, Silverboy

New English Teacher in China -- Japanda -- 26 June 2009
I'd like to teach English in China by August and am still confused on what I should expect salary-wise. I'd like to live in Shanghai, Hangzhou, Nanjing, and Shenzhou for the most part. I am a ...
Re: New English Teacher in China -- doesitmatter -- 27 June 2009
You would be selling yourself short if you work for anything less than 6,000, regardless of where you're teaching or at what kind of school you're teaching. I've worked here for six years ...
Re: New English Teacher in China -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 26 June 2009
Well good luck finding work in Shanghai, that's where all newbies want to go, and it has a very large expat population to begin with. As for the others, hard to say. It depends on amount of hours ...
Re: New English Teacher in China -- Turino -- 26 June 2009
Has anyone had a good experience at a school in any of the cities and can direct me to somebody? At my last school I had some bad experiences,but just one good experience.I remember it well.The ...

Re: Teaching Abroad with Criminal Record? -- amy -- 25 June 2009
does anyone know if a misdemeanor does show up on the background check, if that will automatically disqualify one from employment? what do they look for?
Re: Teaching Abroad with Criminal Record? -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
Disqualify one for employment where?

Preparation for teaching in Seoul (books, lesson plans) -- peter -- 25 June 2009
Hi guys , Am heading to Seoul to teach for the first time ( I have a celta qualification). I was wondering if anyone could advise me on some books to order to help me prepare? I will be teaching a ...
Re: Preparation for teaching in Seoul (books, lesson plans) -- fyi -- 26 June 2009
Tip: download free, 68 Classroom Games pdf, written and compiled by an ESL teacher in Seoul: http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/pdf/index.pl?read=348 More free downloads here: ...

Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Brandon -- 25 June 2009
Hi!! My friends and I currently teaching in Thailand and would like to move to China. We're considering the below contract and would greatly appreciate any advice. Thank you in advance for your ...
More info and picture -- tl -- 26 June 2009
http://www.eslteachersboard.com/cgi-bin/esl/index.pl?read=53222
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Brandon -- 26 June 2009
UPDATE: Thank you so much for all of the great advice! We obviously decided not to accept this position and we're taking our time and searching for other options. Just to set the record straight, ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 26 June 2009
Sounds like this 4th wheel is causing you a lot of problems, why not dump him or her, are you family or something? What is with this desperate need for you all to stay together and work at the same ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Silverboy -- 27 June 2009
I totally agree with what you wrote. FT's who come to China, only mix with other Westerners, can't speak any Putonghua, won't bother to make real Chinese friends. I see it at bars and ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
This is our fourth **** job that we'll be turning down. Youn did well and were very wise to look carefully at things offered to you. There are a lot of rubbish "schools" in China that are nor ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Brandon -- 25 June 2009
Thank you so much!!! We appreciate the help and the effort you all took to write responses. That being said, I have a few quick responses for those of you that had questions/comments: *contract ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Turino -- 26 June 2009
It's similar to the standard official contract issued by the State Bureau for the Administration of Foreign Experts based in Beijing.Though much of the contract reads the same word for word,the ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- HireEd -- 25 June 2009
Hello, again, Brandon. Thanks for providing the template contract. I could offer lots more "reg flags" (pardon the pun) but the most notable worrisome item in your response regards the visa. There ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
Where you are coming from makes no differece as to whether or not you can get a Z visa, that is total BS. If anything were to impact that it would be your home country, not where you are traveling ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Silverboy -- 25 June 2009
Some advice? Keep away from Guangdong province ( as far as teaching is concerned ) , don't teach kindergarten in China, don't teach at private training centres. You have been in Thailand ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- Turino -- 25 June 2009
What about dismissal procedures and arbitration?Post those parts,and I'll advise you.If you cannot,presumably because there are none in place,run,run,run! It's not worth the risk,believe ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
Well below is the aforementioned contract, and let me just say I have seen worse, but also better. I will point out the pluses and minuses. Firstly, as far as teaching goes, kindergarten is the pits, ...
Re: Advice needed: considering contract Foshan, China -- HireEd -- 25 June 2009
Brandon have you seen you actual contract, or at least template contract? On ths surface, this all looks reasonable (for China). However, these are things to consider... Do you ahve experience ...
Good advice! -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
Wow, I have seen you giving pretty good advice to that new fellow FT in China. Yes, Brandon, as a newcomer you must be aware of the many pitfalls that exist in China. HiRed has rightly pointed out ...

Spouses of Chinese Nationals Renewing L Visas,Lengthy Process -- Turino -- 24 June 2009
To renew visa for a long L visa,I need to: i)go to the PSB in my spouse's hometown to pick up 2 forms. ii)go to the police station where I bought or rented a dwelling to get one of the forms ...
Re: Spouses of Chinese Nationals Renewing L Visas,Lengthy Process -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 24 June 2009
I don't know where you are getting your information, but getting a visa is not that complicated. It can be if you don't know the system, but honestly, it is far far easier then that.
Re: Spouses of Chinese Nationals Renewing L Visas,Lengthy Process -- Turino -- 24 June 2009
Not where my wife is from,I should know!If I'd known that beforehand, maybe I could have fallen in love with another Chinese lady from a part of China with PSB officials who don't think ...

Testing students levels -- Irith -- 24 June 2009
I primarily teach children from ages 7 to 18 and have new students each year. I am looking for a website that provides tests that will help me discern what each child's level is so i can create ...

Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turnoi -- 24 June 2009
This morning, I received a mail from someone (personal data known). He included two internet links leading to official sites of the Foreign Bureau of Experts in his province. I looked at the text in ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- dragonized -- 24 June 2009
Thanks for the start Turnoi. I think if I didn't reply personally I would be doing a disservice to all of the foreign teachers out there. This school did get me a z visa but it was only for ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turino -- 24 June 2009
Though a Z visa can be issued by the PSB of provincial capitals,said Z does not state employment shall be had only in one town or one city.I'm puzzled. I thought a Z visa is the visa you need if ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 25 June 2009
Every visa is man made and nothing comes from heaven. All things are possible unless you make foreign teachers miserable. There is no black listed Foreign Teachers anywhere in the world. But we know ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
What about visa issued by Cosmos?
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 25 June 2009
It's possible but we don't and won't do it till most of the governments in this world urge me to do it. Because, in doing so won't give us the fulfilment of our vision as it is ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
Your thoughtful suggestion may not work as it not sure that a US President like good old Georgy Boy Bush even knows what a visa is. Any other useful alternative suggestion?
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 26 June 2009
But one thing I know is that even though you may get the visa for all countries from World Government, Chengdu US Consular, James Boughner will pay no respect to you but he may rather cross it off ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 24 June 2009
This only further cements in my mind the schools do not care one wit about a Z visa and residence permit, not for the right reasons anyhow. I think those schools who demand them don't actually ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- dragonized -- 24 June 2009
I agree with you, it seems that once they "control" you they treat you like you're their property. I did a runner from this school and now this is their way of "showing" how much "power" they ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turino -- 24 June 2009
Blacklisting louwai seeking jobs in China without allowing said louwai to appeal first is a system of justice in operation similar to a kind of kangaroo court. That said,every louwai here in China ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 25 June 2009
No warning is neccessary here for a foreign teacher unless you want to cheat him or her. Just give a notice to them and it will do. Foreign Teachers know who they are and where they have to go for ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
What about the treatment of foreign teachers at Cosmos? Does Cosmos provide a flying carpet to bring them home after contract completion? Please advise.
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 26 June 2009
You make me mad at when you talk about "complete contract". I taught at Foreign Language Experimental School in Chengdu and signed a contract for a year last year. By the time, I got an email with ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
Moreover, the local Bank of China didn't welcome me at all so that I couldn't transfer my money into my online moneybookers account and a local bank account in another city. I felt very bad ...
Your kind job offer -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
We need a part time translator who can translate an autobiography from Teizang to English. That is the only job offer we have for now. It seems that you are looking for a job at Cosmos. If so, you ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Justin -- 24 June 2009
Had you signed a teaching contract with that school before you embarked on your runner? If so, you've been dishonest, and are therefore not entitled to any sympathy re what's happened to you ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 26 June 2009
Signing a contract is one thing and obeying the contract is another thing to consider. You will not be able to obey and complete the contract unless the employer and recruiter agree with the whole ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- dragonized -- 24 June 2009
Justin, I love it how people like you and the companies you work for want to focus on the contract. Apparently schools can abuse contract until there is no tomorrow yet when foreign teachers leave ...
Official anti-groveling weasel campaign in China -- Turnoi -- 26 June 2009
Dragonized, the reply you have got from Justin is the kind of unhelpful comment that is not needed in that kind of situation at all. Please have mercy with poor Justin; he is one of the many pretend ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- Turino -- 25 June 2009
A fair contract necessarily has reasonable dismissal procedures and an independent arbitration option.If in the first place you'd signed such a contract you could have insisted on its clauses ...
Re: Blacklisting of FTs in China - A Warning! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
Well Turino I find your response to dragonized a little cold and callous. First of all, if his contract was illegal, if the position was not a legal one, then he was not bound in any way to honor ...

NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- George Hipwell -- 23 June 2009
I was astounded to read some of the commentary regarding several posts over the last few days and felt compelled to add my two cents worth to the commentary. It is truly an unfortunate situation that ...
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- Turino -- 24 June 2009
This thread is headed 'NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson' So far,we've had a complaint re said recruiter relating to C J's vindictive response when a jobseeker decided not to sign a ...
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 23 June 2009
Well George Hipwell, I saw no need to finished reading your like post, as it was completely self serving, and hypocritical. In one breath you condemn others for bashing recruiters and being just ...
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- Dman -- 24 June 2009
well done mr moderator for making my response alot shorter now than it was going to be, you have taken the words right out of my mouth. It is clear George that it is my post that you are attacking. ...
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 24 June 2009
I have to agree, you were wronged. This is pretty common of recruiters though, they think they can get away with murder. They are also bullies, and have no problem being such. Like I said earlier, ...
Re: NETWORK ESL and Chris Johnson -- Turnoi -- 24 June 2009
In the literature of the Early Church Fathers, you will also find a text entitled beginning with "Contra" followed by a certain name. Historically, it is an apologetic text defending rising ...

Class language centre in Bratislava, Slovakia -- Juraj Hriz -- 23 June 2009
To all teachers in Bratislava, Slovakia do not ever accept employment from Class Language centre located in Bratislava, Slovakia (www.class.sk) They have horrible conditions, they post job vacancies ...

think again -- ruserious -- 23 June 2009
If you've read all the negative posts about teaching in China, you're no doubt having second thoughts. Here's a little more for you to think about: [source: Blog.telegraph] It was a ...
Re: think again -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
What can I say? Local mafia at work, probably with local police most likely bribed. It is not school-related but I wonīt go to work for a school in such a place. How could I be sure that the school ...

Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- Ex-TC Teacher -- 23 June 2009
I wouldn't go there if I was you. It's just entertaining spoiled yuppies. If you can't entertain them, you will be fired. This school cannot get you the proper Z visa and RP. The work in ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- Silverboy -- 23 June 2009
I will second that! I am sick of hearing stories about how "great" the schools in Yangshou are. Omeida College is nothing but another garbage D-grade training centre. You are correct, try to do any ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- cunning linguist -- 26 June 2009
Pasted from one of the mad (Cosmos International University) professor's postings. "Finally, I took a police memo from the police station in Mongkok area, got "F" visa to China as directed by a ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
Yuppies in China? Perhaps in places like Shanghai or Beijing? Perhaps, I am mistaken about the meaning of the term. I have heard that a team of biological specialists from Beijing discovered a new ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- ex-TC teacher -- 23 June 2009
Behold! Turnoi be right again. Biology experts are indeed returning from the rainforest with samples, reports and photographs of new species yet unclassified! A full disclosure of the new scientific ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
I am really looking forward for this to happen! It will take a little while, so please be patient! Meanwhile, I am offering myself as a member of this species for further investigation. I have no ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- Ex-TC Teacher -- 25 June 2009
Genus: Sino-Yupicus Spoiltosis Cheatuscus Habitat: All over China, but especially Guangzhou. Behaviour: No restrictions on self, no awareness of self or others. Impossible to control, even with ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
What an impressive list of species, these yuppies you are mentioning! Now, I have a proposition to make: These yuppy species needs to be fed! So, please prepare some bananas, add some tomatoes, a ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- cunning linguist -- 25 June 2009
Brilliant - and your pig-Latin is very good too and made me laugh. Clearly this research has international significance for all those who enter, or who are are involved with, ESL in China and ...
Re: Omeida Language College in Yangshuo -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
No, Cunning Linguist, no new thread needed! We are all "sinners"....eeeehhh...or did I mean "idiots"????? lol.

metamorphosis -- znarf akfak -- 23 June 2009
I think the original purpose of this board, a purpose which has seemingly morphed into something entirely different, was that it would provide the means by which teachers could share their meaningful ...
Re: metamorphosis -- cunning linguist -- 25 June 2009
Dear Franz Kafka Well, one person's meaningful experience is another person's poison" , to misquote. The strength of the Forum is that freedom of speech is not a dirty phrase. This means that ...
Re: metamorphosis -- znarf akfak -- 25 June 2009
Well said; however, what I often find written in this particular corner of cyberspace goes way beyond the importance of warning others about the dangers of strolling through the EFL fields of China. ...
Re: metamorphosis -- Silverboy -- 25 June 2009
If you have been a regular poster on this board for quite a while like myself, or people like the Turnoi poster, you will realize that there are certain dishonest posters active here who have hidden ...
Re: metamorphosis -- znarf akfak -- 26 June 2009
It appears that your task, your agenda that is, is a daunting one. I did a quick search and found some information that you may find interesting: ...
Re: metamorphosis -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
This is an internet forum, everything is in written form, hence there is no "loudest" man. If you want to be heard, come up with a way to express yourself convincingly. If you write posts that are ...
Re: metamorphosis -- znarf akfak -- 25 June 2009
If I had felt your post, the one previous to this one which I'm reluctantly responding to, had been worthy of a response, I would have done so. "This is an internet forum, everything is in ...
Re: metamorphosis -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 25 June 2009
That's an infantile evasion, and whether or not you respond is of no consequence, unless you are here trying to make the case that there should be censorship, then it is a very important point. ...
You can`t compare with Kafka as a cheap copy - the original is much better! -- Turnoi -- 25 June 2009
Kafka is an author who may be compared to "surrealism" in the world of painting. He was a writer, nevetheless, and he has shown the absurdity of life. It is NOT absurd to call for an educated ...
Re: You can`t compare with Kafka as a cheap copy - the original is much better! -- znarf akfak -- 26 June 2009
"It is NOT absurd to call for an educated exchange of views in a good manner. But it is absurd to expect that people are not paid back in like manner if they are starting to poison the atmosphere ...
Re: You can`t compare with Kafka as a cheap copy - the original is much better! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 26 June 2009
Whenever I read a post with so much nonsense it is necessary to respond point by point. My comments are in bold and marked with four !!!!. Please see below. ----- "It is NOT absurd to call for an ...
Re: You can`t compare with Kafka as a cheap copy - the original is much better! -- znarf akfak -- 28 June 2009
I believe, DPP, that your post must have been written after too hastily reading mine? Have you realized that yet? Apparently you thought that I contradicted myself when, in reality, the ...
Re: metamorphosis -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 23 June 2009
You know what I hate, posts in which people complain about other people complaining, in my opinion these folks are the real problem. Just participate or don't, if you don't like something ...
Re: metamorphosis -- Turnoi -- 23 June 2009
Metamorphosis - hehehe??? Itīs for you to decide on what other people want to post about. Plain and simple. Got it, Kevin-Jerome,?

Dodgy Teaching References -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
First,I'll relate a true story re a dodgy teaching reference written by a Chinese employer.Here goes: In the not-so-distant past a white FT taught for two semesters at a private college somewhere ...
Re: Dodgy Teaching References -- Helper -- 23 June 2009
Turino! Disparaging written references literally do not exist! EVERY written reference commends the subject. If the employer agrees to write a reference for a former / soon-to-be-former employee, it ...
Re: Dodgy Teaching References -- Prof.Dr.David Ngin Sian Pau -- 26 June 2009
By the way, "Ask and it shall be given unto you." will apply in this kind of situation. But some employers in China don't know how, so I wrote how they wanted to recommend me in English and the ...
Re: Dodgy Teaching References -- Turino -- 23 June 2009
Disparaging written references literally do not exist! EVERY written reference commends the subject. Disparaging means belittling or derogatory.I didn't use that word,you did! Dodgy means ...

Masters Student: Surveys for my Research about Music in the EFL/ESL Classroom - Please help -- musicminx -- 22 June 2009
Hi Everyone! I am currently studying for my Masters degree and I would like to collect some information from EFL/ESL Teachers and students. My dissertation topic focuses on 'Exploring the use of ...

Time to relax -- Turnoi -- 22 June 2009
After we have fought our battles the last days, and after our "friend" Jerome-Kevin has announced he would not try to "convert" us any longer, it seems time for a break. Below, I have quite a funny ...
Re: Time to relax -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 24 June 2009
Not only that but the pay is also crap, 4000 to 5,000? You can guess which amount it is, not 5,000. My guess is that they are looking for westerners who also speak Japanese, just a guess, otherwise ...
Re: Time to relax -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
Sorry to let you know this Turnoi but Jerome/Kevin is already back, his word can't even be trusted when he says he "won't" be doing a thing anymore, LOL.
Re: Time to relax -- Turnoi -- 22 June 2009
I realises that this morning when I was checking the board this morning (I always do before I am off for work). Itīs a personality problem, I guess. This guy is in China because he is unemployable at ...

truth be told -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
On March 9th of this year, this question was posed to Turnoi: In that you seem to have so much knowledge of how things operate in America, perhaps you could tell us how much time you have spent ...
Re: truth be told -- peter -- 22 June 2009
what age are you? stop behaving like a child
Re: truth be told -- Turino -- 22 June 2009
Lies are lies!White lies are white lies,lies told in anger are still lies.No excuses can be made for any people wh deliberately lie,neither for the likes of GWB nor for clerics nor for me!Man is ...
Re: truth be told -- Jerome -- 22 June 2009
Fantastic! You've finally admitted the lie. Good for you. And you did so by alluding to that which I hoped you would, which is that we are all human and therefore imperfect. And yes, according to ...
Re: truth be told -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
In response to what you have written below, I just have one thing to, didn't you say you were done responding to our posts? You have an interesting way Jerome?Kevin of doing so, if the post below ...
Re: truth be told -- Jerome -- 22 June 2009
No, I said I wouldn't be replying to your posts. I never said I wouldn't respond to Turnoi's. But now that I've responded to your latest inane post, go ahead and rap your rap, Mr. ...
Re: truth be told -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 23 June 2009
I think the below post says all we need to know about this fellow Kevin/Jerome No, I said I wouldn't be replying to your posts. I never said I wouldn't respond to Turnoi's. But now that ...
Re: truth be told -- Turnoi -- 22 June 2009
Jerome-Kevin, didnīt you say that you would refrain from replying to our posts any longer? Or was that one of your ghostwriters?
Re: truth be told -- Jerome -- 23 June 2009
No, I didn't. I said I would refrain from replying to DPP's posts. I'm not Kevin.
Re: truth be told -- notkevin -- 23 June 2009
No, Turnoi-Turnoi, it is not I who has a ghost writer, it is you. Anyone who chooses to take the time to read your posts will realize that you have one style and your ghost writer has another. ...
Re: truth be told -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 21 June 2009
Umm, I can understand why he did not answer your snide question, I would not either. In it you imply he is likely not being honest, and ask him to qualify his answer. Only liars feel a need to ...
Re: truth be told -- Jerome -- 21 June 2009
I never said that I wasn't posting here under more than one name; however, I did state clearly that I and Kevin are not the same poster. There are very good reasons why I felt the need to have ...
Re: truth be told -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 22 June 2009
Clearly I read you very well, or you would not feel the need to qualify a supposed fact you believe by saying "You don't read me very well". Why qualify your belief if it is true? Only when ...
Re: truth be told -- Gadger -- 21 June 2009
Look at that, the rest is none of your business! http://www.suzhoufls.webs.com/

time to work, time to play -- ruserious -- 20 June 2009
Silverboy, I just can't let this one go by. You suggest that a university is not a real university if classes begin before nine in the morning and if they don't have half hour breaks between ...

Discernment -- Jerome -- 18 June 2009
A discerning reader, and especially one whose first language is English can usually find the subtleties and slight nuances in written material that will enable them to determine if one writer is the ...
For discerning readers -- Turnoi -- 19 June 2009
For discerning readers, it would be easy to discern what kind of game Jerome-Kevin is playing. Here is an example at the link: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=72816 In that post, ...

New teacher in need of help... -- Sarah -- 17 June 2009
Hello. I am in my second year of teaching Sophomore English, and am in need of some help relating these texts to my students. Does anyone have any fun, interactive lessons/activities for Macbeth, ...

Re: Black List IN KOREA - Wonderland English School, Ulsan -- LJ -- 18 June 2009
DO NOT WORK AT THIS SCHOOL: Wonderland English School 4410 Bangu Don Jung Gu Ulsan, Korea The school takes out more money than they should for health insurance and tax, yet when I called both ...
Re: Black List IN KOREA - Wonderland English School, Ulsan -- ANET -- 19 June 2009
Thank you for coming forward. This is a fine example of the ESL industry in Ulsan. After three years in that city, I concluded the only reputable hagwons were the ELC chain and Kevin's Joyful. ...

Estimated Monthly Traffic,this board! -- Turino -- 17 June 2009
Contrary to what some would say/imply,click on the link below to ascertain the monthly traffic on this board and other relevant info.Don't listen to those who would tell you that few budding ...
Re: Estimated Monthly Traffic,this board! -- Turino -- 17 June 2009
Click the link below: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/www.eslteachersboard.com
Re: Estimated Monthly Traffic,this board! -- Math -- 18 June 2009
These are stats for the entire site, not just the ESL Discussion FORUM. What you don't know is the true number for visits, referrals, redirects, searches, length of time for each visit, area of ...
Re: Estimated Monthly Traffic,this board! -- Turino -- 18 June 2009
These are stats for the entire site, not just the ESL Discussion FORUM. What you don't know is the true number for visits, referrals, redirects, searches, length of time for each visit, area of ...
Re: Estimated Monthly Traffic,this board! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 18 June 2009
Oh many budding teachers check this board, I know this, why else would ESL schools come on here and so vehemently defend themselves against even the smallest accusation. The people saying few check ...
Re: Estimated Monthly Traffic,this board! -- Math -- 17 June 2009
Don't guess. Provide numbers, please.

Assistance in finding a lesson please -- leo -- 17 June 2009
I had found a lesson suggestion not so much for ESL teachers but for their teaching assistants or study advisors on vocabulary to teach the new students so that they can understand and communicate ...
Re: Assistance in finding a lesson please -- Helper -- 22 June 2009
Maybe this is what you're looking for? http://www.churchillhouse.com/english/classlang.html
Re: Assistance in finding a lesson please -- Leo Johnson -- 22 June 2009
wasn't the exact lesson I was looking for, but is a good starting point, and I can probably adapt this to my needs. Thanks

hash & rehash -- Watching -- 16 June 2009
The subject tells all! Same old song! Same responses! If you expect people to take you seriously then you had better think and re-think before posting laughable posts and replies! Think for the ...
My Research on Groveling Weasels - one important finding!...lol. -- Turnoi -- 16 June 2009
Tomorrow usually follows Today, and Yesterday is usually before Today. My recent anthropological research on the community of groveling weasels has revealed that Tomorrow, Today, and Yesterday are ...
Re: My Research on Groveling Weasels - one important finding!...lol. -- Watching -- 17 June 2009
"Pleas spread the word of this important research result, it may be enlightening to many"! By posting you have done that! A lesson for all! I hope you inform the backside sliders as well!

God Damn the Pusher Man -- Watching -- 16 June 2009
Read the title!!! There are certain posters who like to think they are superior and know it all. They are trying to push their own ideas down your throat. If you swallow and buy them as the truth, ...
Re: God Damn the Pusher Man -- Turnoi -- 16 June 2009
If your post refers to my suggestions how to deal with students who canīt get our of bed (without directly mentioning it, of course!), then I could not agree with you. Certainly, I donīt "know it ...
Re: God Damn the Pusher Man -- Watching -- 16 June 2009
"If your post refers to my suggestions how to deal with students who canīt get our of bed (without directly mentioning it, of course!), then I could not agree with you". If I was to referring to your ...
Re: God Damn the Pusher Man -- Turnoi -- 17 June 2009
I am actually still sleeping in my office at school...the groveling weasels around here do not know how good that is!

Paid voice recording for ESL training -- Gray Dean -- 15 June 2009
I need a female with American accent to voice record five lectures for my American English traning in China. Each lecture consists of around 330 words and can be recorded in less than three minutes. ...

Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Turnoi -- 15 June 2009
This morning, I received another unsolicited the job offer with the contract draft version below.The Institute is a private school licensed/accredited to confer degrees at Bachelor level in Foreign ...
Re: Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Silverboy -- 15 June 2009
Yes, you are right, the 6300RMB is an utter joke for someone with your qualifications. But some well known Chinese universities offer even less then that eg: Wuhan University. I am not making excuses ...
Re: Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Turnoi -- 15 June 2009
Yes, I know that many public unis pay much less. But they are public, and this Jilin school is private. They have and make more money. Interestingly, I have not yet received any answer from them. ...
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Turnoi -- 16 June 2009
The Institute has not really improved their job offer after I told them about the difference between an Instructor/lLecturerīs and a professor`s work. The fact that they want me to do language ...
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 18 June 2009
Let me just say that 6,500 a month for a PHD holder is not good pay, especially for someone as experienced as Turnoi. Yes I know it depends on the area here in China, however that salary is a joke ...
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Silverboy -- 19 June 2009
Yes, you are right, if a PHD holder from the West is stupid enough to work for 6300RMB a month it follows that teachers who are not as qualified will get much less. I also agree that because ...
White Monkeys Acting In A Muppet Show -- Turnoi -- 19 June 2009
I also agree that because appearances are more important than real qualifications and intelligence in China, it is unlikely that employers will care if a teachers is a real PHD holder or a fake PHD ...
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Turino -- 19 June 2009
As for Westerners with fake degrees in China, I suppose that's because so many Chinese people have fake degrees, or real degrees that they did not earn, then many foreigners will see nothing ...
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Watching -- 17 June 2009
You are 100% correct! I would never work for a sub par salary such as you mention. What do these people expect?
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Turnoi -- 17 June 2009
They employ foreign teachers with a Ph.D. as professors to do the work of language instructors. Teaching practical language skills and teaching special subjects of expertise are two different things. ...
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Watching -- 18 June 2009
The salary that they are offering is not enough. Sunny days in a warm climate are better than sunny day days in a cold climate, my opinion. Everyone has his or her own preferences to weather. Whether ...
Re: Follow-up on Job Offer from Jilin Huaqiao FLI -- Turnoi -- 19 June 2009
I am someone who "lives for his work" - it means I have a real passion for it. It is my life (yeah, I know there are other things in life as well and I am also aware of the risks such a perhaps ...

Japan/Korea CELTA -- Cid -- 14 June 2009
Heylo! Are there any pro's to obtaining a CELTA to teach in Japanese/Korean schools, in terms of pay, etc. etc.? Also, the websites I've seen generally say they pay $2000 (usd)/month. Is that ...

An Asian American in Japan???!? -- McLee -- 14 June 2009
Hi, I was wondering what the Japanese language schools' policy are on Asians teaching English? From what I've heard, it's .....yeah. Ideally speaking, it shouldn't make a damn ...
Re: An Asian American in Japan???!? -- Li Bai -- 15 June 2009
Asian-American, Afro-Canadian, Euro-Slovakian, Antarctic-Nigerian blah, blah, blah - who cares? Remember they always ask for a photo first and if they make their judgement based on THAT, and not the ...
Re: An Asian American in Japan???!? -- Silverboy -- 15 June 2009
Yes Li Bai, but you have to remember that they WANT crap teachers! They do not want REAL teachers. Real teachers will not be compliant fools that do whatever some goon DOS or school owner orders them ...
Re: An Asian American in Japan???!? -- Turnoi -- 15 June 2009
And real teachers will take side - for their own sake re working conditions, and for their students! There is no way to remain "neutral" in certain situations. Those who do (and remember the Jerome ...
Re: An Asian American in Japan???!? -- Turnoi -- 15 June 2009
Remember they always ask for a photo first and if they make their judgement based on THAT, and not the qualifications you send, they are not worth your time. (italics are mine) Yes, very true. And ...
Re: An Asian American in Japan???!? -- Turnoi -- 14 June 2009
Ideally, only qualifications and ability should count, and as you have already rightly stated, the world is far from ideal. I have never read any posts regarding Japanese schools and their employment ...

Threats to be blacklisted in China -- Dman -- 14 June 2009
hello, basically i accepted a position to work for a school. i then recieved a contract tat i needed to sign from the recruiter. After reading it and reading reviews about the school on this site, i ...
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- The Owl -- 14 June 2009
Can you give us the name of the recruiter?
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- Dman -- 14 June 2009
yeah it was with network esl, goes by the name of Chris Johnson. i had sent him my CV, photo of passport, degree certificate etc, he offered me a position in a school, i said i'd like to accept ...
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- The Owl -- 14 June 2009
If you want, Dman, you can publish the email address of Chris the recruiter; you can even publish his full email where he talks about blacklisting you. Such information can be very useful to warn the ...
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- Turnoi -- 14 June 2009
The final reply you have received is just filthy recruiter rubbish talk. It is their way of putting pressure on you to accept the position. The recruiter will only get paid if you have accepted the ...
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- The Owl -- 14 June 2009
Thank you for providing the name of the recruiter. Appreciated.
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- Dman -- 14 June 2009
Here is the email i was sent by Chris Johnson after saying I and my friends no longer wanted to take up the position - This news actually come as no surprise, as our records indicate this is the ...
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- Turnoi -- 14 June 2009
The correspondence exchange between that recruiter and your party is revealing. What else do we need to show that it is necessary to warn others of indecent "schools" and filthy recruiters. ...
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- Watching -- 15 June 2009
"Congratulations that you have taken the time and made the efforts to do some research which has helped you to avoid a filthy recruiter and a crap school". I must agree a filthy recruiter is very ...
Re: Threats to be blacklisted in China -- Dman -- 16 June 2009
totally agree with everyones responses. the actions of this recruiter is in stark contrast to the way I have been treated by the school I have contacted directly and are in the final process of ...

egocentrism -- earthling -- 13 June 2009
Well now Silver boy you have followed the ususal pattern. When I try to educate you about just one Privarte Training Center using CALL (Ellis) you acuse me of trying to market the school. I assure ...
Re: egocentrism -- Turnoi -- 13 June 2009
He, it was not Silverboy but me who said this. And I stand by it!!!! Take a look at your original post and then have a guess, why. You probably canīt see the "empiricism" which other people use to ...
Re: egocentrism -- Silverboy -- 13 June 2009
Yes earthling, I was way out of high school in 1995 ( by ten years to be exact ) Why are you so keen to toot the horn of King's International College? Are you employed there? If they want to blow ...
Re: egocentrism -- Turnoi -- 13 June 2009
For little "extras" like quality Chinese training centres would make you pay even more than the double that would be charged otherwise - I have heard. For example, putting large and convenient double ...
You are not up-to-date, Mr. Turnoi! -- Hanaka -- 14 June 2009
Mr. Turnoi, you seem to be less well-informed than you think. Already a long time ago, Suzhou Foreign Language School has had the great idea of putting large and convenient double beds in classrooms ...
Re: You are not up-to-date, Mr. Turnoi! -- Watching -- 14 June 2009
Sweet Dreams! Snore! Snore!

Teaching with a family -- Patrick -- 13 June 2009
I am looking at teaching overseas with my family. Is it possible? Does anyone recommend it? I taught in Pusan Korea many years ago. I would like to teach anywhere but, prefer Europe. I do not have a ...
Re: Teaching with a family -- Turnoi -- 24 June 2009
I reckon that in Europe you would mostly find miserably paid freelance jobs if you worked for private training centres in Europe. Sheer exploitation and a lot of work pressure, no stable income, I ...

Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- cunning linguist -- 12 June 2009
When the Forum sinks to the level of abuse I've seen recently I think it's time for me to move on and use my time more effectively. The Welcome notice on the Forum states:- The purpose of ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- Jayvin -- 14 June 2009
Well, you called us out on our behavior, and I must agree. As a lurker before posting, I was surprised by the number of highly personal comments made by those who call themselves professionals. I ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- cunning linguist -- 15 June 2009
Thanks Jayvin for your support. I don't actually pick up on typo's and other stuff, because I make them myself, but try to extract meaning from what's been written. As a graduate ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- Turino -- 15 June 2009
Maybe the attacker is having a bad day or some personal problems? All I know is that he/she has little impact on my life and it will remain so. It's possible that I expect too much from the Forum ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 15 June 2009
It's been my experience that when some people are losing an arguement, or can not keep up with someone else in a certain areana, they claim martyrdom, hence becoming a victom, garnering sympathy, ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- Turino -- 15 June 2009
It's been my experience that when some people are losing an arguement, or can not keep up with someone else in a certain areana, they claim martyrdom, hence becoming a victom, garnering sympathy, ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- Jayvin -- 15 June 2009
A lot of arguments on this board also start when posts are made with a hostile, superior tone just for the sake of it, as DitheringPidderPadder did. No one lost an argument here, as none was put ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 16 June 2009
Or someone is having a discussion, and someone else gets the wrong idea. I won't even respond to one posters accusation of wishing to garner negative attention. I will say that usually the people ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- Jayvin -- 16 June 2009
I see your point but at least I don't mind admitting it when I've been a jerk.
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- Turino -- 15 June 2009
I wouldn't disagree with what you said. And then there are some posters who pretend to be naive at first.After said bait has been taken by an unsuspecting respondent,who is maybe a little ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- cunning linguist -- 13 June 2009
Well we can agree to differ. The point was that to get at the truth of the matter may well require more questions to posters, of the type Socrates used with his students, instead of piling abuse on ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 14 June 2009
Well I'm well aware of the Socratic method, and have been practicing it since my teens, believe me, from what I read, which you did not write, you don't really grasp it so well, it's ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- cunning linguist -- 14 June 2009
You use the word "friend" in the reply - yes I know this is just a form of English but I don't know you and I would certainly not describe you as a friend. Your use of the term is a form of ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- Turnoi -- 14 June 2009
There are friends and "friends" - "friends" stands for the special version of pretend friends who build a relationship with the sole intention of asking for a "favour" later and who do not seem to ...
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, please! -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 13 June 2009
Nice, but I don't think you understand the Socratic method, because to be honest, what the heck does this have to do with what you said initialy? Nothing.

Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turino -- 12 June 2009
You will continue to dip inm popularity Turino, I guarantee that. And I can guarantee that I don't care about that.

Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turnoi -- 12 June 2009
Really, people, this trio, Silverboy, Turnoi and Turino, are the worst kind of Foreign Teacher to infest this country. Arrogant, always right, knowing better than anyone else how to run a School. If ...

No need for "popularity"! That comes and goes like the wind.... -- Turnoi -- 12 June 2009
I cannot see the use of popularity for anyone on this board. On a board like this, people come and go and even do not build a stable cyberspace community. And you do not see and know anyone ...

Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turnoi -- 12 June 2009
Would you please refrain from going any further in this; it is useless. There are more interesting topics to discuss.

American teacher would like to visit a school/summer camp in Jiangmen or Xinhui -- Kay -- 11 June 2009
I am going to be visiting Jiangmen in August with my husband who will be there on a business trip. We will stay in Jiangmen but the plant he is visiting is in Xinhui. I am a first grade teacher in ...

Something about groveling weasels in the EFL industry - did you know? -- Turnoi -- 11 June 2009
On the image below, you can see what a groveling weasel in full action looks like. It may also be interesting to note that groveling weasels invaded China from outside only quite recently and that ...

Private training centers using CALL -- earthling -- 10 June 2009
It seems that the anti-private training center gang on this forum have a limited scope. I lived and worked in China as a teacher for 20 years and I don't agree that all Private English Learning ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turnoi -- 10 June 2009
As a member of the gang you are mentioning I can tell you that CALL is one of the things I am very much in favour of. It is included in our curriculum for English Language Teacher training, and both ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- earthling -- 12 June 2009
The responses to my post regarding CALL only substantiates my contention that the people who take up most of the space on this forum have absolutely no knowledge of how the Ellis Program is combined ...
On the value of CALL and its place in ELF Teacher Training -- Turnoi -- 13 June 2009
According to my knowledge the use of the Ellis Program (now owned by Pearsons) began in Shanghai around 2002. Do we really have to know about all these commercials product you are advertising here? ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Silverboy -- 10 June 2009
I assume you are talking about the King's International College in Fujian province. I have never heard anything bad about them, hovever it does not mean it is a good school. I did some research ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- earthling -- 12 June 2009
Well now Silverboy, you are a bit tarnished concerning King's International English. Individualism and flexibility are exactly the reasons that Private Training Centers like this using CALL are ...
How a woman and a child are connected to "good" -- Turnoi -- 11 June 2009
I have never heard anything bad about them, hovever it does not mean it is a good school. Silverboy Yes, something that is not regarded as "bad" can be automatically regarded as "good"! In terms of ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- DitheringPidderPadder -- 10 June 2009
I have to agree on one point, Silverboy, Turnoi, and Turino do seem to dominate, but Silverboy and Turnoi know of what they speak. As for Turino, he doesn't seem to know much, but simply hang on ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turino -- 11 June 2009
As for Turino, he doesn't seem to know much, but simply hang on the coattails of the other two, and a derivation of the name Turnoi. please click on the link below: ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- DitherPidderPadder -- 11 June 2009
Turino, Turnoi, you simply moved around some of the letters. Please, be original at least in your name, and you have got the wrong person, we don't know each other, I am a long time lurker here. ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turino -- 11 June 2009
DitherPidderPadder,Turino is an anagram of Turnoi,not a derivation as you had previously posted.The reason I changed my previous username,Foxy,to that of Turino,was that Turnoi was the one who ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turino -- 12 June 2009
Really, people, this trio, Silverboy, Turnoi and Turino, are the worst kind of Foreign Teacher to infest this country. Arrogant, always right, knowing better than anyone else how to run a School. If ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- doesitmatter -- 11 June 2009
As a matter of fact, what you state is a "certain truth" is not that at all. By reading Turnoi's posts and those of Turino's you can find that their style is quite different. Generally, you ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turnoi -- 11 June 2009
Do you want to be my "ghostwriter"? I am still looking for someone to do the job...lol.
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turnoi -- 11 June 2009
I think Turino has his own way of putting things. I am in private contact with him, and I know for sure that as an FT in China, he has had a lot of trouble with a crappy training centre there himself ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turino -- 11 June 2009
I know for sure that as an FT in China, he has had a lot of trouble with a crappy training centre there himself and still may have. Nevertheless, he is doing his job well and responsibly until his ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- DitheringPidderPaddle -- 12 June 2009
Below is a post by Turino, and I will point out what I will talk about now, within his post, and that is arrogance. Some foreign teachers who come here, are quite arrogant, Pease read Turino's ...
People come and go - and so do certain posts on this board! -- Turnoi -- 12 June 2009
The board moderators have just removed certain posts.... People come and go, and so do certain posts. Those who intend to use this board to denigrate, defame and insult other posters here will find ...
Re: People come and go - and so do certain posts on this board! -- ifsixwerenine -- 23 June 2009
People come and go, and so do certain posts. Those who intend to use this board to denigrate, defame and insult other posters here will find their efforts to be in vain. Turnoi Interesting, then, ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turino -- 12 June 2009
As you have presumed certain things that I said to be lies,I'll not bother discussing the details with you to point out your false assumptions.BTW,FYI,I DO have a university degree. But I will ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Silverboy -- 12 June 2009
How long have you been in China? I think you don't know what you are talking about. First of all , the Turino poster DOES have a degree, I KNOW he does. And it is from a real university in the ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turnoi -- 13 June 2009
According to my knowledge the use of the Ellis Program (now owned by Pearsons) began in Shanghai around 2002. Silverboy Yes, I can definitely confirm that. And and for your information, Ditherhither ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turnoi -- 12 June 2009
OK, you have given your reasons and made clear what you think and why you think so. But since when can a cancer be diagnosed from far distance? I think this is what you are doing right now. You do ...
Re: Private training centers using CALL -- Turino -- 10 June 2009
Earthling: I don't agree that all Private English Learning Centers are terrible. Turino: Neither do I,but if you happen to choose a bad one,you'll regret it.Given the high number of ...

Why does China lose its best students? -- Silverboy -- 10 June 2009
It is a well known fact that China loses up to 70 per cent of its best students to other countries. That is, they do not return to China after the completion of their studies in the West. There may ...
Re: Why does China lose its best students? -- Turnoi -- 10 June 2009
The groveling weasels around here will help China to make No. 13 on the list of countries with decent educational standards worldwide. That`s not quite at the bottom of the barrel yet bur very near ...
Re: Why does China lose its best students? -- cunning linguist -- 10 June 2009
I think you are correct in your comments about the reasons China will suffer " a brain drain" but it's different from what happened in the UK several decades ago when many professionals left for ...
Re: Why does China lose its best students? -- cunning linguist -- 11 June 2009
You may have read this and it is just another indication of the education malaise in China. Chinese police have detained two high school teachers for providing students with electronic devices to ...
Re: Why does China lose its best students? -- Watching -- 11 June 2009
"It is a well known fact that China loses up to 70 per cent of its best students to other countries. That is, they do not return to China after the completion of their studies in the West. There may ...
The strength and weakness of China -- Turnoi -- 12 June 2009
For a nation to become strong it must have decent educational standards and a proper rule of law and a transparent and fair legal system. China has none of this. Yes, you are right. But it may be ...
Re: Why does China lose its best students? -- cunning linguist -- 12 June 2009
An interesting point of view that acknowledges that people like Silverboy and others are helping improve the education system in China. Fair play. In 2007, from memory, the government published its ...
Re: Why does China lose its best students? -- kjk_esl -- 11 June 2009
The real number is 75%! This is the % of the Chinese students who go aboard to study and who do not return to China for the reasons that other posters has mentioned here. This figure was posted in a ...

place to stay short-term in Korea -- Shannon -- 9 June 2009
I'm not a teacher. I want to visit my fiance this summer and I want to bring my son who is 14. I use a wheelchair so I cannot stay at his family home. I need a place with a flat entrance (no ...

Gunpo -- bb -- 8 June 2009
I was wondering if someone could tell me about Gunpo, preferrably someone who lives there. I am also interested in a position at Gunpo Suri Elementary School. Does anyone have any information to ...
Re: Gunpo info - Video, Saturday night in Gunpo -- Sam -- 12 June 2009
Video Saturday night in Gunpo - Courtesy of youtube.com user cesarim Gunpo is a city in Gyeonggi Province, South Korea. It is part of the Seoul National Capital Area. Its largest immediate urban ...

Teaching University Business in English -- Scott Roach -- 9 June 2009
Many of the universities in Thailand appear to have undergraduate and MBA programs that they teach in English. I am an American business professor with a Ph.D. in marketing and 19 years of university ...